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		<title>By: DjS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DjS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 21:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One other thing, I&#039;ve seen the oversigning site you keep referring to.  The list there is far from complete or even accurate.  It focuses far too much on the SEC (thus the reason the SEC seems to be the worst offenders) and largely ignores events outside of the south east.  It is a good site for what it is, but it should not be taken as factual or complete. 
 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One other thing, I&#039;ve seen the oversigning site you keep referring to.  The list there is far from complete or even accurate.  It focuses far too much on the SEC (thus the reason the SEC seems to be the worst offenders) and largely ignores events outside of the south east.  It is a good site for what it is, but it should not be taken as factual or complete. </p>
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		<title>By: DjS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DjS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 21:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Consequently, this is the same way that Saban says he does it - and I&#039;ve never seen any of his recruits say otherwise (and have seen some confirm).  What they need to do is stop the instances like the Porter case where the coach has to approach a kid late in the summer and ask him to grayshirt.  That is wrong and shouldn&#039;t happen.  They need to institute a policy where the recruit must sign a letter explaining the grayshirt offer before NSD and if he doesn&#039;t, the school can&#039;t grayshirt him.  That would clear up most of the problems with this issue while still allowing these teams to keep a full roster through summer attrition that is going to happen ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Consequently, this is the same way that Saban says he does it &#8211; and I&#039;ve never seen any of his recruits say otherwise (and have seen some confirm).  What they need to do is stop the instances like the Porter case where the coach has to approach a kid late in the summer and ask him to grayshirt.  That is wrong and shouldn&#039;t happen.  They need to institute a policy where the recruit must sign a letter explaining the grayshirt offer before NSD and if he doesn&#039;t, the school can&#039;t grayshirt him.  That would clear up most of the problems with this issue while still allowing these teams to keep a full roster through summer attrition that is going to happen </p>
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		<title>By: DjS</title>
		<link>http://mrsec.com/2011/05/drawing-the-battle-lines-in-the-secs-upcoming-oversigning-fight/comment-page-1/#comment-13041</link>
		<dc:creator>DjS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 May 2011 20:59:55 +0000</pubDate>
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The question that should be asked is not should they allow oversigning, but rather are they doing it responsively?  You said that Richt said that &quot;oversigning is &#039;an awful thing to do, I think it&#8217;s the wrong thing to do.&#039;&quot;  This is not accurate to what he actually said.  He made that statement about forcing a kid to grayshirt late in the summer.  From the article that you linked he also said, &quot;Not that we haven&#8217;t grayshirted, or talked to guys about grayshirting,&#8221; Richt added.  &#8220;If you tell five of those guys, &#8216;Hey we&#8217;ve got 20 spaces.  I can sign 25.  There&#8217;s a good chance that by (the time) school starts there&#8217;ll be room for you, because of attrition that happens every year everywhere you go.  If there&#8217;s space for you, you come in with your class.  If there&#8217;s not space for you, are you willing to come in in January?&quot;  That quote was even in nice bold letters, yet you missed it.  What he is describing is exactly oversigning, but doing so responsibly - meaning that he is informing the recruit ahead of time and not offering him if he is not willing to do it.   ]]></description>
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The question that should be asked is not should they allow oversigning, but rather are they doing it responsively?  You said that Richt said that &quot;oversigning is &#039;an awful thing to do, I think it&rsquo;s the wrong thing to do.&#039;&quot;  This is not accurate to what he actually said.  He made that statement about forcing a kid to grayshirt late in the summer.  From the article that you linked he also said, &quot;Not that we haven&rsquo;t grayshirted, or talked to guys about grayshirting,&rdquo; Richt added.  &ldquo;If you tell five of those guys, &lsquo;Hey we&rsquo;ve got 20 spaces.  I can sign 25.  There&rsquo;s a good chance that by (the time) school starts there&rsquo;ll be room for you, because of attrition that happens every year everywhere you go.  If there&rsquo;s space for you, you come in with your class.  If there&rsquo;s not space for you, are you willing to come in in January?&quot;  That quote was even in nice bold letters, yet you missed it.  What he is describing is exactly oversigning, but doing so responsibly &#8211; meaning that he is informing the recruit ahead of time and not offering him if he is not willing to do it.   </p>
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		<title>By: volfan414life</title>
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		<dc:creator>volfan414life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 21:00:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oversigning would be alright if it went by what an earlier post said it happened because players werent going to qualify.but that is just not the case,some coaches do it cause they want to get rid of guys on the team who arnt playing alot or something like that.six have left arkansas recently because they were told to because they were not going to be a starter or a key link in the chain,i believe that for every player oversigned ,the coaxh should be fined three times what a four year scolly cost,and the school ten times the cost of a scolly,that way it would stop alot of oversigning. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oversigning would be alright if it went by what an earlier post said it happened because players werent going to qualify.but that is just not the case,some coaches do it cause they want to get rid of guys on the team who arnt playing alot or something like that.six have left arkansas recently because they were told to because they were not going to be a starter or a key link in the chain,i believe that for every player oversigned ,the coaxh should be fined three times what a four year scolly cost,and the school ten times the cost of a scolly,that way it would stop alot of oversigning. </p>
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		<title>By: benzadawgfan</title>
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		<dc:creator>benzadawgfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 16:15:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It MSU&#039;s case, the oversigning took place under Croom.  Mullen signed 28 in &#039;09(before the rule) and 25 in &#039;10.  As of signing day 2011, 48 of those 53 players were still with the program, and one of the 5 who wasn&#039;t had to go juco because of grades and will be on campus this summer.  I doubt there are many SEC schools retaining that many of their signees.  This year, he signed 22, with one of them having to go JuCo for academics, and he had 22 roster spots to give.  He has also already told fans to expect a smaller class next year due to the small number of seniors on this team.  People seem to not want to like coach Mullen, but he doesn&#039;t run players off, doesn&#039;t sign kids unless he is going to give them a roster spot, and tells them up front they will have to earn playing time. 
 
The right rev nutt however has only 18 players left from his 37 man &#039;Nutt rule&#039; class, and from his 22 man &#039;10 class 13 remain.  That&#039;s what happens when you take recruits from your rival by telling them they&#039;ll start as freshmen.  He even told Brassell (wr south panola) who was committed to MSU, that he would play both ways at Tsun next year.  Class. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It MSU&#8217;s case, the oversigning took place under Croom.  Mullen signed 28 in &#8217;09(before the rule) and 25 in &#8217;10.  As of signing day 2011, 48 of those 53 players were still with the program, and one of the 5 who wasn&#8217;t had to go juco because of grades and will be on campus this summer.  I doubt there are many SEC schools retaining that many of their signees.  This year, he signed 22, with one of them having to go JuCo for academics, and he had 22 roster spots to give.  He has also already told fans to expect a smaller class next year due to the small number of seniors on this team.  People seem to not want to like coach Mullen, but he doesn&#8217;t run players off, doesn&#8217;t sign kids unless he is going to give them a roster spot, and tells them up front they will have to earn playing time.</p>
<p>The right rev nutt however has only 18 players left from his 37 man &#8216;Nutt rule&#8217; class, and from his 22 man &#8217;10 class 13 remain.  That&#8217;s what happens when you take recruits from your rival by telling them they&#8217;ll start as freshmen.  He even told Brassell (wr south panola) who was committed to MSU, that he would play both ways at Tsun next year.  Class. </p>
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		<title>By: johnmrsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnmrsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 15:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TB... 
 
I believe we make it very clear -- we even state in the piece -- that we&#039;re trying to give you a big picture snapshot of the lay of the land on this upcoming debate. 
 
If I wanted to -- or had time to -- put together a piece detailing all of the subtle differences between oversigning, grayshirting, doing so legitimately, doing so dishonestly, it would fill a book. 
 
If you want to buy a book on the subject, feel free.  But if you want an idea of how the league&#039;s schools might feel heading into this debate, the post above is the best one you&#039;re going to find. 
 
Thanks for reading, 
John ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TB&#8230; </p>
<p>I believe we make it very clear &#8212; we even state in the piece &#8212; that we&#039;re trying to give you a big picture snapshot of the lay of the land on this upcoming debate. </p>
<p>If I wanted to &#8212; or had time to &#8212; put together a piece detailing all of the subtle differences between oversigning, grayshirting, doing so legitimately, doing so dishonestly, it would fill a book. </p>
<p>If you want to buy a book on the subject, feel free.  But if you want an idea of how the league&#039;s schools might feel heading into this debate, the post above is the best one you&#039;re going to find. </p>
<p>Thanks for reading,<br />
John </p>
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		<title>By: T B</title>
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		<dc:creator>T B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 15:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is at least one fundamental fallacy underlying your post.  It&#039;s one that permeates and distorts a lot of the discussion on this issue.   
 
For starters, you can&#039;t make judgments about how a school will &quot;vote&quot; based purely on number of players they&#039;ve signed.  For example, Auburn may have signed more players than any SEC school between 2002 and 2010, but that doesn&#039;t tell you anything unless you know what kind of attrition they had (e.g., in the Tony Franklin and Tommy Tuberville coaching transitions), where spots opened up because players left early, how many players they signed with the mutual understanding they wouldn&#039;t be able to make grades and would have to go to juco, etc.  The numbers also really don&#039;t tell you anything at all about whether a school is employing deception or unfair practices.  That&#039;s what &quot;investigative journalists&quot; are supposed to be for...   
 
Getting to the bigger picture, couching this debate as &quot;Pro-Oversigning vs. Anti-Oversigning&quot; is a bit like describing someone as being &quot;Pro-Gun&quot; or &quot;Anti-Gun.&quot;  You can think guns are great and everyone should own one, you can think they&#039;re terrible and should all be banned, but most people fall somewhere in the middle -- maybe you dislike guns but believe the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own them, you like guns for hunting but believe certain weapons ought to be banned, you support some kind of background check or waiting period policy, etc.  The point is, the way this oversigning debate often gets portrayed badly misses the complexities of the issue, and your post similarly conveys little information about what actually is going to be addressed down in Destin and what each school will likely advocate for. 
 
I get that you&#039;re a blogger, so I&#039;m not singling you out for distorting the picture, because obviously you&#039;re not alone in this and the mainstream media really deserve most of the criticism for making it a yes/no, black/white issue.  I do think the way this issue gets portrayed points to a broader tendency in sports journalism to oversimplify subject matter, which I think is a disservice to sports fans because, for better or worse, the way it&#039;s presented shapes public opinion.   ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is at least one fundamental fallacy underlying your post.  It&#039;s one that permeates and distorts a lot of the discussion on this issue.   </p>
<p>For starters, you can&#039;t make judgments about how a school will &quot;vote&quot; based purely on number of players they&#039;ve signed.  For example, Auburn may have signed more players than any SEC school between 2002 and 2010, but that doesn&#039;t tell you anything unless you know what kind of attrition they had (e.g., in the Tony Franklin and Tommy Tuberville coaching transitions), where spots opened up because players left early, how many players they signed with the mutual understanding they wouldn&#039;t be able to make grades and would have to go to juco, etc.  The numbers also really don&#039;t tell you anything at all about whether a school is employing deception or unfair practices.  That&#039;s what &quot;investigative journalists&quot; are supposed to be for&#8230;   </p>
<p>Getting to the bigger picture, couching this debate as &quot;Pro-Oversigning vs. Anti-Oversigning&quot; is a bit like describing someone as being &quot;Pro-Gun&quot; or &quot;Anti-Gun.&quot;  You can think guns are great and everyone should own one, you can think they&#039;re terrible and should all be banned, but most people fall somewhere in the middle &#8212; maybe you dislike guns but believe the 2nd Amendment protects the right to own them, you like guns for hunting but believe certain weapons ought to be banned, you support some kind of background check or waiting period policy, etc.  The point is, the way this oversigning debate often gets portrayed badly misses the complexities of the issue, and your post similarly conveys little information about what actually is going to be addressed down in Destin and what each school will likely advocate for. </p>
<p>I get that you&#039;re a blogger, so I&#039;m not singling you out for distorting the picture, because obviously you&#039;re not alone in this and the mainstream media really deserve most of the criticism for making it a yes/no, black/white issue.  I do think the way this issue gets portrayed points to a broader tendency in sports journalism to oversimplify subject matter, which I think is a disservice to sports fans because, for better or worse, the way it&#039;s presented shapes public opinion.   </p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 14:32:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Latest Bama News 5.19/2011</title>
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		<title>By: Mike Slive and the SEC Twelve play their newest hit, &#8220;Oversigning Blues&#8221;. &#124; Get The Picture</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Slive and the SEC Twelve play their newest hit, &#8220;Oversigning Blues&#8221;. &#124; Get The Picture</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 11:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: johnmrsec</title>
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		<dc:creator>johnmrsec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 May 2011 03:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Media created.  Hmmm.  Then I&#039;m surprised several other conferences in the country took steps to curtail oversigning years ago, before it became a media story.  
  
But, never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to blame the media for something.   
  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Media created.  Hmmm.  Then I&#039;m surprised several other conferences in the country took steps to curtail oversigning years ago, before it became a media story.  </p>
<p>But, never let the facts get in the way of an opportunity to blame the media for something.   </p>
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		<title>By: VLB</title>
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		<dc:creator>VLB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 May 2011 21:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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Over signing is a largely media created event.  The schools know pretty damn well who has no chance of qualifying and they plan accordingly.  
 
Whoever decided that a kid with no chance to qualify was being wronged by being given the ability to sign a college scholarship did not know much what they were talking about.   
 
I am a Carolina fan, and USC has never been in a posiiton where it could not enroll all the  qualified and accepted into the University players in its class.  
 
The fact remains that  If Mauldin had remained committed to South Carolina and then went on to qualify, he would be enrolling this summer with the rest of his class.  Of course, the odds of his qualifying are not particularly high and South Carolina had a plan for him at prep school when he didn&#039;t qualify.  
 
In his case the rule limiting the new rule limiting the number of LOIs resulted in his choosing another situation that will probably be less advantageous to him.  It forced the schools to pick which likely non-qualifiers that they allow to sign and which ones they would not.  I do not really see the point in the rule. 
 
Houston Nutt&#039;s ballyhooed class -- didn&#039;t all the qualified players enroll in school?  I&#039;m not really sure what was so bad about signing no chance qualifiers to LOIs.   
 
 
 
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Over signing is a largely media created event.  The schools know pretty damn well who has no chance of qualifying and they plan accordingly.  </p>
<p>Whoever decided that a kid with no chance to qualify was being wronged by being given the ability to sign a college scholarship did not know much what they were talking about.   </p>
<p>I am a Carolina fan, and USC has never been in a posiiton where it could not enroll all the  qualified and accepted into the University players in its class.  </p>
<p>The fact remains that  If Mauldin had remained committed to South Carolina and then went on to qualify, he would be enrolling this summer with the rest of his class.  Of course, the odds of his qualifying are not particularly high and South Carolina had a plan for him at prep school when he didn&#039;t qualify.  </p>
<p>In his case the rule limiting the new rule limiting the number of LOIs resulted in his choosing another situation that will probably be less advantageous to him.  It forced the schools to pick which likely non-qualifiers that they allow to sign and which ones they would not.  I do not really see the point in the rule. </p>
<p>Houston Nutt&#039;s ballyhooed class &#8212; didn&#039;t all the qualified players enroll in school?  I&#039;m not really sure what was so bad about signing no chance qualifiers to LOIs.   </p>
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