Comments on: SEC Expansion: A Warning Letter And Slim Pickins

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Homepage | MrSEC.com — Wed, 28 Dec 2011 19:02:56 +0000

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By: Jim

Jim — Thu, 15 Sep 2011 14:40:18 +0000

West Virginia is not an option because they would slap the SEC around like a bunch of punks in football and basketball.

By: @DaddyxRey

@DaddyxRey — Sun, 04 Sep 2011 17:30:19 +0000

My question is, what if the Big 12 Folds? Will TAMU still be held to buyout fees and penalties for leaving the Big12 with less than two years notice?

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By: @ECUmedford

@ECUmedford — Sun, 28 Aug 2011 19:45:45 +0000

The SEC needs to look at expanding their geography. One state the SEC should want to add is North Carolina. UNC and NC State both seem committed to the ACC. That leaves East Carolina as the only other viable option. They have the second best TV ratings in the state behind UNC and ahead of NC State. They outrank every non-AQ team in the country in attendance besides BYU. Averaging 50,000 fans/game in CUSA is impressive. Imagine what they could accomplish with an SEC schedule. Don't take my word for it: http://www.ecu.edu/undaunted

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Sat, 27 Aug 2011 22:19:51 +0000

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By: @Cougar_High

@Cougar_High — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 19:35:07 +0000

I hate to break it to Missouri, but the B1G invite isn't going to happen. The B1G didn't expand for 20 years before Nebraska got the most recent invite. If they expand again, it's going to be for someone big with a strong football tradition like Texas, Oklahoma, or Notre Dame. I think Missouri would be a good fit in the SEC, but I get the feeling that Missouri (like the ACC schools, and Texas and Oklahoma as well) thinks the SEC is academically inferior. Otherwise, we'd be hearing more rumors about Mizzou to the SEC.

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By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 08:01:21 +0000

Based on what happened last year I don't think they'll make a play for anyone for fear they'll get egg on their face again. They could approach behind the scenes of course, but I don't think it should be as public as it was last year. At the same time if the SEC comes calling then I don't think they should hold out for a Big 10 invite as some have indicated that they want to do.

By: wademac2011

wademac2011 — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 03:45:27 +0000

Reference to the Big 12's TV consultant is where the Thames article loses more credibility…the supposed TV deal in the Big 12 is a continual moving target. Anyone who says that A&M would make more money in the Big 12 than in the SEC must be a Texas Tech grad…complete nonsense…

By: jtfris

jtfris — Sat, 27 Aug 2011 00:40:15 +0000

As a Mizzou fan, I wish we would make a play for the SEC like we did for the B10.

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 22:42:23 +0000

I have a hard time believing that a 13th team will be admitted without the 14th team at pretty much the same time. If there are 2 separate expansions in consecutive years then that really throws a wrench in the TV contract negotiations. A&M and whichever team comes with them have to bring such a new pop to the TV audience that their combined presence gives more revenue to all parties. If A&M enters a year early then either the current pie is going to be split another way before the 14th team enters or when the 14th team enters then the pie will not be enlarged in as great a proportion as when A&M enters.

I don't know, maybe they'll do some sort of independent scheduling with regard to football, but that may get sloppy.

By: @kylekriegel

@kylekriegel — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 20:27:01 +0000

As an alum of a current Big 12 school (not a&m) I think that idea actually makes a lot of sense. That said, I think worrying about what bowl a&m will go to and/or the conference championship game is a waste of time. Unless the 8 schools they play are the 8 worst in the SEC there is little chance they make a bowl game next year at all. This should be their best year in the last 15, but then half (or more) of their stars leave after this season. They're going to get destroyed next year and I have to say we can't wait!

By: @pjmaud

@pjmaud — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 17:57:14 +0000

I continue to question Pete Thamel and the NYTs as a source. I am convinced he is a puppet of ESPN or some other East Coast business with interests in keeping the conference and tv contract situation at the status quo. I mean, where has he been on any other story prior to this point in time? And all of a sudden he's magically got insight into the SEC? That doesn't happen, people, and certainly not from the NY Times. For some reason (though I can't find confirmation), I want to say he was also later the source that claimed the SEC presidents were NOT meeting that Sunday (that the meeting had been cancelled)? I think he is full of mis-information being spewed to sway public opinions on this deal in hopes that it comes crashing down. That all being said, I appreciated the insight and thoughts on what was written here that wasn't based on that article. Good stuff!

By: NekiEcko

NekiEcko — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:48:37 +0000

It is a good idea but I think you cant do that besides if that happens Ken Starr will be a very happy man and TAMU very upset (I am thinking that he is getting information from sites like this for his lawsuit vs TAMU). But I think the tomorrow (Saturday) meeting of the Big 12 President is going to be very important because if somebody else besides TAMU pull chocks unless if they are like Texas Tech or OU(PAC-12) submits a letter as well, I got a feeling the MIssouri is going to be the one that pull the bombshell, it can provided the 14th team, since none of the East Coast isnt going to jump, Silve would just go west, pick up Missouri and call it a day. But i think how the way that Silve works, he might already have #14 already, so I dont count any rumors from any place. At the end of the day, TAMU will be in the SEC in 2012

By: HoustonVol

HoustonVol — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:41:33 +0000

Actually, it would only require 7 schools. The TAMU/Arkansas game is already schedule. I think a few schools would jump at the chance to get a game on Texas TV and in front of Texas recruits. Since these games would not be part of the actual conference schedule, I don't see what would prevent the SEC and TAMU from selling them to the highest bidder. I am sure with all of the lawyers pouring over the contracts that they can find a way to make it happen and be profitable.

An additional note; I have it hard to believe that the SEC and TAMU would not have gone this far down the road if there was not financial payoff for all parties involved. However, I don't think it will be a short term home run that some people anticipate. I don't think ESPN will be that happy with TAMU and SEC upsetting the apple cart, and won't be very giving with the additional monies – unless the SEC has the ability to tear up the contract if they don't agree with the new terms that ESPN presents.

One final note: This is about more than money. This is putting the TAMU brand on a national stage and losing that other school in Texas image. That is important to recruiting top students, faculty, and research dollars. Most people outside of Texas do not know that TAMU is one of the best universities in the nation. Do you really think that Vandy and the other presidents are going to object to having a highly ranked academic university join the conference? As you have pointed out – sports fuel the passion, but eggheads make the decisions.

By: johnmrsec

johnmrsec — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 14:16:52 +0000

HoustonVol…

I agree completely on the "independent season" idea. In fact, if it hadn't been 2am when the above post was finally put to bed, that was going to get a lengthy mention as a possibility (as if the above post wasn't lengthy enough).

The issues would involve a) 8 SEC schools changing their 2012 schedules at the last minute with some likely giving up home games, b) figuring out where new money would come from for A&M if TV contracts did not change until A&M officially joined the league, and c) how would A&M fit into the SEC's bowl line-up?

But in many ways, fixing those issues might be easier than creating a 7-team SEC West for a year. Imagine the screams and cries from folks in the West who'd have a harder road to Atlanta than those in the East.

Thanks for reading,
John

By: HoustonVol

HoustonVol — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:45:50 +0000

The SEC and TAMU might have to work out a strange deal for a year or two in order to expand. Tamu might have to play as a "independent" in conference. TAMU could play 4 western and 4 eastern teams in football, but would not be eligible for the conference championship game for a season or two. TAMU would be eligible for the at large slot from the SEC, but not the championship game. This would allow TAMU to fill out their schedule for 2012 and possible 2013, and give the SEC more inventory of games to sell, but not shake up the cart until the 14th team should be invited. I still personally believe that the 14th team is already making the moves behind closed doors. However they are waiting for TAMU to pull the band-aid off the B12 and seeing what ripples that causes in other conferences before making a move. I still find the "we are not expanding" statement by the B10 odd. It was a message to someone. Was it a lawsuit cover like the SEC's message or a coded no to Mizzou that we will not expand with you, and if you have an offer on the table from the SEC – take it to the bank.

By: ViciousDawg

ViciousDawg — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 13:28:22 +0000

Don't count out Clemson or FSU just yet. State legislatures have a funny way of twisting arms. Just saying

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:31:57 +0000

The SEC could have 16 in 15 minutes, but probably 2 of the other 3 would have to be non AQs or schools within the current footprint. So that's not likely.