Big 12′s Big Announcements

October 6th, 2011 03:44 PM║ Posted By: John Pennington ║ Permalink ║ Schools: Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, LSU, Mississippi State, Ole Miss, South Carolina, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
Tags: Mike Slive, MU, SEC, TCU

The Big 12 has been busy today. First, the league’s board of directors agreed to a formal grant of television rights for a minimum of six years. The approval of the board on that vote was unanimous, with Missouri abstaining on the advice of legal counsel.

As soon as the individual schools sign the contracts that interim commissioner Chuck Neinas sent out today, the deal will be final, equal revenue-sharing of Tier 1 and Tier 2 television rights will kick in, and the Big 12 will become a much more stable entity. (At least for six years.)

There were also agreements relating to high school content being shown on Tier 3 television packages like the Longhorn Network. According to a Big 12 release, “Conference bylaws will reflect that no member institution branded outlet will show high school games or highlights, nothing that it is permissible pursuant to NCAA interpretation to use scores, standings and statistics of high school games.” (Start the clocks now for a show geared toward talking about and the stats of top Texas recruits.)

In addition to all this, TCU has received an invitation to the join the Big 12.

Missouri chancellor Brady Deaton took part in today’s teleconference, but as noted earlier he did not vote on any matters.

So what does all this mean for the SEC?

First, most of the things Missouri and the other Big 12 schools wanted have come to pass. And if Mizzou decided to stay at home now, the school would simply scratch out “Texas A&M” on future schedules and fill in “TCU.” That if the Frogs accept, of course, and it’s assumed they will. (We look forward to hearing Kenneth Starr’s take on how his league poached TCU from the Big East.)

According to Kirk Bohls of The Austin American-Statesman:

“The Big 12 remains unaware of Missouri’s plans, but most Big 12 administrators do not think Missouri has an invite from the SEC or even any assurance that it will get one. The league decided not to wait and was taking immediate action to strengthen the league.”

But PowerMizzou.com — the Rivals site that covers the Tigers — reports that Missouri wants the Big 12 to go back to being an actual 12-team conference.

At this point, Missouri needs to decide if it wants to sign back on with the Big 12 and have a hand in future expansion? Or does the school truly want to move to the SEC?

It seems that Mizzou has come to a point where there is little chance of turning back. Neinas and the Big 12 would love to have them, but it appears the more MU officials — especially the board of curators — thought about a lifetime of stability versus six years of stability, the more they liked what they saw in the SEC

In addition, once in the SEC, they’ll no longer have to worry about one or two schools — Texas and Oklahoma — driving the bus for everyone else. Missouri will be equal to Florida and Alabama as well as to Vanderbilt and the Mississippi schools.

Aside from learning to silence moles inside their own operation, Missouri has likely done enough to convince Mike Slive of their interest to gain an SEC bid should they seek one. We’re assuming they wouldn’t go so far out on a limb without some sort of assurance two years in a row.

No, if the Tigers are to this point, it’s because Slive and his league are interested. As we wrote yesterday, as long as Slive is convinced MU isn’t still pining for the Big Ten, the path south should be clear.

And if Slive wants nine votes to bring Missouri into the SEC, he’ll be able to get those nine votes. In fact, if the commissioner presses the issue, we expect he’ll get a unanimous vote.

Our best bet at this point? Missouri’s SEC bound unless the administration gets some seriously cold feet. And best of luck to Deaton and crew if they have to sell an about-face to Tiger fans who’ve just gotten hyped up about exiting Texas’ shadow.

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MIZ-SEC

SEC all the way!!! As a Missouri Alumnus, I have done everything in my power to motivate your leadership, via mulitiple snail mail and e-mail. Tuesday was a very happy day for me and countless Mizzou Alumi. The SEC is the best conference in football bar none. To be in a conference family that acts instead of the dysfunctional Big 12 would be an incredible blessing. I believe that Mizzou will be a great addition to your storied conference. If you wonder about enthusiasm of Mizzou fans, just check out College Game Day last year. 20,000k fans, the largest turn out in ESPN college game day history. Their is already chatter about the need to expand the stadium to make a step toward SEC standards. Hope it all comes together. Know that countless MU fans watch everyday in hopes to get good news. MIZ-SEC

Slim Eastwood

For sure sweet tea is a great gauge . Waffle houses per capita is a good one too.
NASCAR stickers another

sfprman

And....NASCAR's Carl Edwards is from Columbia, Missouri, and University of Missouri alum and a huge Mizzou fan. Country singer Sara Evans is from a small town newr Columbia. Sheryl Crow is from Kennett Missouri (more southern than most of the south), a Mizzou grad (featured in their ads during TV game this year) and now lives near Nashville.

AllTideUp

They get bonus points for Sara Evans. She married former Bama QB Jay Barker a few years ago. She actually sang the national anthem at the Iron Bowl in Tuscaloosa in 2008. It was electric.

Slim Eastwood

Neither did Kentucky officially. A star on the confederate should be enough. I've never said we are Alabama or Mississippi but we are as southern as Kentucky historically is what I'm gettin at

KeepMiseryOut

Misery never was a part of the Confederacy. The Confederacy claimed it as a territory, but like this deal with the Big 12 and the SEC, Misery strattled the fence. Afraid to make a decision or to take a stand. Who needs the freaking headache?

tradeassociation

I don't believe this "Missouri doesn't have the votes" nonsense for a second. Remember: the same thing was being said about Texas A&M a mere few weeks ago (and I am not even talking about the Baylor stuff either)! Folks opposed to A&M in the SEC - and there were plenty - kept putting out negative stuff in the press about how it wasn't going to happen right up until it did happen.

Also, the quotes coming out are unreal. "We want a better school than Missouri" and "we want a team from the east" ... have these folks been paying attention the past 2 years? It sounds like stuff coming from people who either aren't involved in the process or shouldn't be.

No2MizzouInSEC

http://no2mizzouinsec.tumblr.com/

Academic73

Fans and alumni sometimes forget that universities are mainly run by academics. The MU athletic department might be high on a move to the SEC, but the same sentiment might not hold for the faculty. Deaton really has to deal with that at MU. When faculty salaries are discussed, comparisons are always made to "peer institutions."

SEC Honk

Can anyone tell me why North Carolina State isn't getting a look from the SEC? They bring in another state to the fold, they're a member of the AAU, they're a land-grant university and Wolfpack fan-base seems very strong. The only thing is they don't want to leave their brothers at Chapel Hill behind. Anyways, I think if the SEC can get Florida State over Missouri then do it! Otherwise, seriously consider West Virginia as I'm not sold on Mizzou really.

tradeassociation

"Can anyone tell me why North Carolina State isn't getting a look from the SEC?"

I am going to answer your question with a question. Can you tell me why North Carolina State would leave the ACC? Explain to me how it benefits them athletically, in football or basketball. Then, explain to me how it benefits them academically to leave a bunch of respected east coast institutions that do tons of research (and research dollars DWARF athletics dollars) for a conference where almost half the schools aren't even in the U.S. News top 100, let alone the AAU. Then explain why a charter member of the ACC, a group that has been together since their days in the Southern Conference, would want to leave all that tradition, rivalries and political ties behind. And after you have considered those things, tell me ... is it that N.C. State isn't getting a look from the SEC? Or that the SEC is looking at them and N.C. State isn't looking back? Which do you suppose is more likely?

FSU? Basically the same applies. It doesn't benefit them on the field, and it certainly doesn't benefit them in the classroom. And if you prefer West Virginia to Missouri ... it might be that you believe that the football team is the most important part of a university.

MIZ_SEC

NC State isn't an AAU school. UNC is though, and they aren't going anywhere.

Minnemo

No one is bragging about something so wrong nor do I suppose anyone on this site would. It goes to show that Missouri has a painful but common bond with some state schools in the SEC. I think that to take this conversation for anything more than that is mistaken. Also, have to remember that WDE>bama is an idiot. WDE=Beaker.

WDE>Bammer

Listen boy, I am as Alabama as they come. I was born in at St. Vincent's Hospital in Birmingham, but grew up mostly in Hoover (before it was the big deal it is now). After going to Vestavia Hills High School, I went to AU for my undergrad and graduated with my B.S. in 1985. Thankfully my Daddy was an Auburn man, so I escaped all of the Bammer propaganda in Birmingham. It would be convenient for you if I was a Jayhawk, because then you could just blame all of the arguments you were losing on a jealous rival. I however have no connection to Missouri other than wanting the SEC to keep a mediocre team out of our conference.

tradeassociation

If keeping mediocrity out of the SEC is such a big priority to you, then start with the teams already in the SEC. Ole Miss, Mississippi State, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and South Carolina have ONE major bowl game appearance (a loss) and ZERO SEC titles between them. And most of those schools aren't even any good in basketball (only Kentucky and Arkansas are really). But ... several of them are known for trouble with the NCAA (Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Kentucky).

And who do you propose that we get instead of Missouri? The ACC teams aren't going to come, because (and this may shock you but please read) academics brings in much more money than athletics - orders of magnitude more - and the ACC is a much stronger academics conference than the SEC. Oklahoma? More of the same. An ACC school would lose hundreds of millions in research and donations by joining the SEC. They get no benefit whatsoever - academic or athletic - from joining the SEC, and are content to wait until Texas joins the Pac-12, allowing them to follow.

So who does that leave? West Virginia? South Florida? Don't get me wrong ... I like both schools. But I like them as #15 and #16 in the SEC down the line. An AAU school in the midwest with a strong basketball tradition and an improving football program is a VERY good catch for #14 TODAY. The SEC is looking at adding 2 AAU schools - which could mean jobs and opportunity for your kids and grandkids - and you're thinking about a bunch of parochial issues that don't matter in the real world.

AllTideUp

Oh, I understand. And no, if this conversation was about who fits into the SEC because of how much they support slavery then I'd take offense to that. One of the things that pisses me off the most is the stereotype that Southerners are racist and have no problem with slavery even though most people who say that today are probably just trying to get a rise out of someone.

I'm a history buff and so any Civil War talk is going to be interesting to me and mainly I was just making light of the Confederate state angle. I think more than anything, people in the South would look at the Civil War history of Missouri and see it as a common denominator that gives us a common point of reference. People from other parts of the country sometimes look down on the old Southern states because of the history there and listening to some people from Mizzou gives me the impression that people hold this view of the state of Missouri as well. I guess it's a common sense of "us against the world." At least that is my amateur psychologist point of view ;)

rmft

The fact that someone had to explain to a mizzou fan why WDE>Bammer is obviously an Auburn fan = the exact reason people dont think Missouri really "fits in" with the SEC

ya'll dont know the first thing about the SEC!!!

if you want us to invite you in, why not read up a little on the culture just a tad. Try figuring out the names of all the teams, etc. Great culture fit here... seeing as you dont know anything about our conference.

it feels like we are opening up the borders, and these missourians dont even speak the same language we do. they dont know our history, they dont understand our insults and they dont even really want to be here if they could ever be in the Big Ten instead... this seems like a really bad forced match IMO

At least the Aggies had an understanding of the SEC. They may be outsiders, but they'd know someone named WDE>Bammer was an Auburn fan, they have at least played teams from the SEC pretty regularly (LSU/Ark). missouri fans dont have a clue. they can't even speak sec football... its all some midwestern drivel i can't quite understand

+10

MIZSEC

Maybe someone down there can teach us your culture and insults... I've always wanted to know how to poison trees.

rmft

and this isn't 1890

bragging about slaves and civil war accomplishments really has absolutely nothing to do with the SEC or football... the fact that those are the things missouri fans used to show they fit in culturally just prove exactly why they dont.

SEC FOOTBALL CULTURE!!!!!

Minnemo

Did you really reply to your own post?

UofA72

Cut the poor boy some slack, Alzheimers is particularly bad when a five year old gets it.

JRUGA

Just got back from a 3 week job at Fort Leonard Wood Army base in Missouri. I can tell you that I had sweet tea at every restaurant I went to and even more importantly, the breakfast places in Missouri offer grits as a standard. I cannot find any fault with Missouri's food as it does fit the southern culture. If you are going to use cultural fit as the reason Mizzou is not worthy for the SEC, you won't be able to use food and drink as a viable excuse.

Clarence

Coke, soda, pop... that's irrelevant.

Real question to ask is do they drink sweet tea?

Milo Moon

I think he was continuing it. There are only so many words that you can post at once.

WDE>Bammer

Again, Southerners drink Coke. Missourians drink soda and pop. That is NOT Southern. I would love to see one of these MU clowns come down to Tuscaloosa, Auburn, Athens, or Knoxville and ask for a pop. Talk about some fireworks.

WDE>Bammer

Bammer, I've lived in both Biloxi and Fort Walton Beach, FL and never once have I heard a Southerner refer to coke as anything but coke. We can tell our Northern friends that we are always friendly, but that we be a lie. There are certain things a Southerner doesn't take kindly to.

Look, I realize you want the Missou Pussycats so you can get Auburn out of the East and have an easier path to Atlanta, but this is getting a little ridiculous.

AllTideUp

Besides guys.....

It's not Southern to be rude or to be anything less than a gentleman. If you break that rule then you have to turn in your Southern citizenship much quicker than anyone who says "pop."

AllTideUp

Fireworks? Nobody's going to fight over what someone calls their drinks dude. lol

Besides, there are plenty of people down on the Gulf Coast and other places throughout the South who call it "pop" and whatnot. Do you really believe what word someone uses for their drinks is the defining cultural trademark? This is still America after all. There has been and always will be cultural exchange down through the generations from state to state and region to region.

Slim Eastwood

http://countycounting.blogspot.com/2008/01/leadin...

this is a great map for regions of the country

AllTideUp

Very interesting. I didn't know the Mormons dominated Idaho like that.

WDE>Bammer

Religious arguments now? You guys really are grasping at straws to prove your worthiness.

AllTideUp

It's a heck of a lot more relevant than what term people use for their drinks.....if you are going to talk about culture that is.

AllTideUp

All the Civil War history stuff is interesting and ironic if nothing else. Most people in other parts of the country have used the Civil War politics as a reason to distance themselves from the South and now we have folks using the Civil War politics to argue their way back in! lol.

Either way, I think Mizzou will fit in fine and I look forward to having them. For those worried about the Southern culture aspect of it or the distance away from what some would consider the defined Southeast then all you really have to do is look at Kentucky. Columbia, MO is no further north than Lexington, KY. I've made the drive to Lexington from Tuscaloosa and no, it's not exactly a short trip, but it's not as bad as you think. For that matter, a trip over to Fayetteville isn't exactly a day trip either. They are both about the same distance away from Tuscaloosa and Ttown is near Bham which is the center of the conference geographically.

I've never been to Missouri and I've never known anyone from Missouri and so I really did not know much about the culture there. The more I have observed the Mizzou fans though, the more I think they'll fit in fine.

JRUGA

I was just there for three weeks on a job.Mid State area (Saint Robert and Rolla area) I can tell you that when you go into a restaurant in Missouri and ask for sweet tea, you will get it right away. None of that add your own crap. Also they serve grits for breakfast. Friendly folk, at least the ones I had the chance to talk with. Asked around about Mizzou to the SEC. Mostly the young people were up on the whole "going to the SEC' expansion thing. Sport bars were great with alot of yelling and Mizzou fans there seemed very passionate. I wouldn't say there were multitudes but they packed out the bars I frequented and they were passionate enough. One thing I did notice was that the bars had all the SEC games going and plenty of people watching. Most people I asked, said they were assured that MU would try for the SEC. I was out there before the BOC voted. If adding Mizzou to the east division can happen, I see no reason not to make the move for adding Mizzou. Later if there is a push to add 15 and 16 then Mizzou can always go back to the west.

Minnemo

Where the hell is war eagle when you want him? That guy is a Mizzou hater as much as the beakers are.

WDE>Bammer

Still here. I've been reading the C-USA bylaws to try and help Missouri get an invite to a conference they are deserving of.

MIZ_SEC

Do they mention whether they require schools to use the term pop, soda, or coke? Keep us updated.

UofA72

Drink terminology is very important issues to kindergartners.

Minnemo

Glad you're back. Mizzou fits SEC culture better than you thought. That was an uncomfortable history lesson. Nothing for anyone to be proud of. We should be very good fit in the SEC.

WDE>Bammer

You clowns really don't get it. Being a one time slave state does not make it Southern. The fact that you keep going back to Civil War and slavery just shows your ignorance about Southern culture. Listen sonny, why don't you go have a pop and work on MU's Conference USA application.

Minnemo

Wow, nice junior high report. You get an A. Let's hear ab.Iout Dred Scot. And no wiki allowed

WDE>Bammer

You are really stretching the truth with your history lesson. The Missouri state legislature had a special convention to talk about secession. That convention voted overwhelmingly to stay with the Union. That decision was not to the liking of Gov. Claiborne Jackson because he supported the Confederacy. The Gov. and a whopping 20 members of the state legislature fled Neosho and asked to join the Confederacy. However, the majority of the state was pro-Union. An AWOL governor and 20 state legislators in a body of close to 200 hardly makes for strong confederate support. Additionally, Missouri did not vote for John C. Breckenridge for President in 1860, which is what every Confederate state did, with the exception of TN and VA who voted for John Bell. MO voted for Illinois Senator Stephen Douglas, who won with 35% of the vote. Douglas was the second choice of basically every northern state behind Lincoln and he failed to crack 15% in any of the Confederate states.

How desperate are you clowns that you have to start bringing out obscure Civil War references to attempt to win an argument. Everyone with half a brain knows that Missouri is a Midwestern, not a Southern state. Keep trying guys. I hear Conference USA is impressed with MU.

Slim Eastwood

is Kentucky not southern?
i am from the ozarks and its not plantation southern its more like appalachian.

Slim Eastwood

October 30, 1861 in the town of Neosho, Jackson called the exiled state legislature into session, where they enacted a secession ordinance. It was recognized by the Confederate congress, and Missouri was admitted into the Confederacy on November 28

KMO-Keep Misery Out

Misery never joined the Confederacy, Slim. The entire state sat on the fence and never made a true decision. Just like now, afraid to make a decision because The Big 10 doesn't want them. The SEC isn't sure it wants them. And the only one who wants them is fat kid sitting in the corner picking his nose(Big 12).

AllTideUp

WDE's alter ego?

p.i. reed

I supposed historical bone fides rule out west virginia

Slim Eastwood

Also Lincoln only got 10% of the vote in Missouri.

Minnemo

Wow, love the comments. Not sure the states history should weigh much. Missouri was a fractured state then, and usually is on most things. One thing we'lll agree on is to leave the Bevo 12-3 and hopefully -4.

Slim Eastwood

October 30, 1861 in the town of Neosho, Jackson (the govenor) called the exiled state legislature into session, where they enacted a secession ordinance. It was recognized by the Confederate congress, and Missouri was admitted into the Confederacy on November 28. hence the star on the confederate flag. Is kentucky not southern?

Paul Harvey

However, even under the Southern view of secession, only the state convention had the sole power to secede. Since the convention was dominated by unionists, and the state was more pro-Union than pro-Confederate in any event, the ordinance of secession adopted by the legislature is generally given little credence.

With the elected governor absent from the capital and the legislators largely dispersed, the state convention was reassembled with most of its members present. The convention declared all offices vacant, and installed Hamilton Gamble as the new governor of Missouri. President Lincoln's administration immediately recognized Gamble's government as the legal Missouri government. The federal government's decision enabled raising pro-Union militia forces for service within the state as well as volunteer regiments for the Union Army.

billybib

Yet your state government never ratified an alliance with the Confederate states. Nice try, Midwesterner.

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