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]]> By: Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 1) http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-2/#comment-113052 Big Bang Theories: The Countdown To Super-Conferences (Part 1) Tue, 18 Dec 2012 21:08:28 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-113052 [...] Last October we put together a 10-part series on the math of conference expansion/realignment and you can find the final summary to that series here (as well as links to all the other nine [...]

]]> By: Homepage | MrSEC http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-2/#comment-75038 Homepage | MrSEC Tue, 22 May 2012 14:22:24 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-75038 [...] In 2010, we took a numbers-based look at possible SEC expansion.  You can read that here.  Last fall, we updated our data and took another look-see.  You can start reading that series here.  The final part of that series as well as links to all the parts in between can be found right here. [...]

]]> By: HungaryGator http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-2/#comment-64811 HungaryGator Sat, 24 Mar 2012 08:57:16 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-64811 Great job John!  I think the SEC was the big winner in conference expansion.  We picked up 31 million more people within the conference footprint along with two AAU schools and two solid all around athletic programs.  Also, Mizzou completely owns a good sized state and aTm has the 5th or  6th largest alumni base in America – meaning they will deliver a lot of that huge Texas market.  I think the SEC will be happy to sit at 14.  Things would have to change drastically for the SEC to expand again and the only way I see that happening would be for the Big 10 to take the first step by launching a massive raid on the ACC to gobble up several of Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College and Maryland thus giving the Big 10 effective control over both the Midwest and Northeast.  Only under that scenario with the ACC’s northern flank crushed, could I see the SEC successfully poaching from a destabilized and weakened ACC.  Of course if that were to happen, NC State and probably Va Tech would easily be the top choices being located in 2 good sized markets and with each able to deliver enough of those markets to be worthwhile.  I know I’ll get accused of hating a rival with me being a Gator and all, but I think the brand value given to FSU is a bit overblown even though I do think they are a good fit for the SEC.  Their basketball program is nothing special and their football brand is based on a great run in the 90′s – they did not do much before that and have not done much in the last decade.  I do not believe their fan base in Florida is big enough to trump the addition of new territory the size of North Carolina or Virginia.  Again, if the SEC were to strike out on a potential acquisition in North Carolina or Virginia, then I think FSU would make a great addition assuming they wanted that 16th SEC slot.  Further expansion Westward or Northward is a non starter IMO.

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]]> By: JWtts http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-28253 JWtts Fri, 21 Oct 2011 15:46:50 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-28253 Truly a great analysis. I wish someone would do something like this for the ACC, PAC-12, Big Ten, and Big 12. I've been all over the web and you really can't find anything that even comes close to this. I find myself coming back to review it over and over again.

]]> By: News | MrSEC.com http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-27968 News | MrSEC.com Thu, 20 Oct 2011 18:49:30 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-27968 [...] as our enrollment, budget for athletics, academic standards, and other things.”Hmmm.  Sounds like a certain website was spot-on in terms of the types of things that presidents consider when looking at potential expansion [...]

]]> By: JWtts http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-27762 JWtts Thu, 20 Oct 2011 00:56:32 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-27762 Great piece! I inferred (correctly or incorrectly) that the author thinks FSU and WVU are the "most likely" options for getting to 16. Looks like WVU has been rejected by the SEC and will probably be headed to the Big 12. Out of this list, who do you think are the most likely candidates for the SEC to get to 15 and 16.

]]> By: Brian http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-26119 Brian Fri, 14 Oct 2011 03:14:59 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-26119 That was some fine number crunching and I liked your realistic summary. This whole discussion in the media has been extremely football centric but your analysis captured aspects which surprised me. Take Duke being so high on the list. Unless we can call soccer football as the rest of the world does, you will never see Duke winning a national championship in Football. Yet it finished quite high on your list. So the ACC has mediocre football but it offers its schools many advantages other conferences wish they could. For that same reasoning I really don't see how the ACC will implode. I just can't see teams jumping ship from the ACC the way they did from the Big Least which, honestly should have stayed a b-ball only league and became a mess the day it decided to play football. And its not the Big 12 either because we don't have to mess with Texas. The Big 12 should not be in its current situation given how many football powerhouses it has. It just has terrible politics that you won't find at the ACC.

That means the only NC school the SEC could nab would be ECU. Keep in mind that NC is the fastest growing state in the east. That is not to say I don't completely agree with your conclusion their chances of joining are nil. I'm routing for WVU to find a home when the Big Least looses it BCS bid. As a Duke fan I don't have a dog in this fight but it's just not fair they are being shunned for being in such a poor unpopulated state. They could easily develop into a national brand. I think the BIG 12 should stop being reactive and start being proactive and invite them so they can get back to being a 12 team conference as their name states.

]]> By: Brian http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-26109 Brian Fri, 14 Oct 2011 02:44:37 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-26109 Dream on. You're talking about a lot of people getting together and deciding to kill the ACC and go after its pickings. And why? For football! What if just some of those people say, hey wait! Isn't a university something more than just its football team!

]]> By: Rusty http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-25895 Rusty Thu, 13 Oct 2011 17:55:40 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-25895 Missouri is a southern state? Really?!

Missouri isn't part of the South. For that matter, the Deep South doesn't include Arkansas, Tennessee or Kentucky (or North Carolina).

]]> By: Jack Edwards http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24966 Jack Edwards Tue, 11 Oct 2011 18:35:33 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24966 The only thing that isn't bland at Kenan Stadium is the wine and cheese served there. College football is what makes the SEC the great conference it is and I've been to football games at UNC, Duke, NC State, and Virginia Tech. Of those ACC schools I can say that NC State or Virginia Tech would be a better choice simply because it's a let down to go play a football game in Durham or Chapel Hill. Also, is there really that much difference between the academic reputation of ECU, Louisville, and West Virginia? Those schools are all in the same tier according to U.S. News and the difference between 164 and 194 isn't exactly the same as the difference between #1 Harvard and #30 Tufts. A case could be made that ECU would be a better choice than WVA because ECU isn't in a state with essentially zero projected growth.

]]> By: jojo1504 http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24906 jojo1504 Tue, 11 Oct 2011 14:42:04 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24906 I am a Missouri fan and can tell you that most of the fans I talk to want the SEC ! We want to be able to watch and cheer for our team but the powers that be will not show games on TV unless we are playing TX In the BIG 12 not one can be better that UT thay make sure of that. At the last few MIZZOU games no one one could dismiss all of the fans chanting SEC SEC SEC.

]]> By: UofA72 http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24657 UofA72 Mon, 10 Oct 2011 17:43:31 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24657 I'm in Arkansas (same as Jamie). I get a totally different take. The enthusiasm isn't quite as high as for A&M though. As a possible explanation, we have a history with A&M and not with Missouri.

Keep in mind, Jamie has been anti-Missouri to the SEC, and I have been pro. He has been more in favor of WVU. From an Arkansas standpoint, I think we would build a rivalry with Mizzou long before WVU.

]]> By: Ghost http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24636 Ghost Mon, 10 Oct 2011 16:03:15 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24636 Excellent work MrSEC. I'm sorry there are so many people who don't get what you are trying to do. Even though you have repeatedly explained in detail how you have put this together, I'm still reading people complaining that "WVU won't deliver Pittsburgh TV market" I guess these people haven't read you multiple explanations.
Having said that, if you ever repeat this exercise, here are 7 schools I would like to see added/included in this little exercise (and yes, just like Penn State, 5 of these are equally unlikely to come to the SEC, but I'd still like to see how all 7 stack up):
Rice
Tulane
Illinois
Indiana
Northwestern
Ohio State
Purdue

I think you'd find that a LOT of these schools would fit right around in the rankings close to where your #5 & #6 teams fall, Virginia and Oklahoma. The exception being Tulane because they don't deliver the "New"

]]> By: Alabama | MrSEC.com http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24613 Alabama | MrSEC.com Mon, 10 Oct 2011 15:00:48 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24613 [...] The Numbers” series.  You can find our big finale piece (and links to all the other pieces) right here.  It’s our way of explaining what factors matter in terms of conference expansion and [...]

]]> By: SEO http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24595 SEO Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:36:05 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24595 The problem is, I think most people see the quality of football and/or "passion" for football and that is it. Nobody is seeing the underlying potential that Missouri has in terms of revenue and academics. Bringing in a new state is huge for cable subscriptions. Going by the B1G model, states that have a B1G school can charge around $1 per subscriber. States that carry the B1G network but no B1G school can only charge like .05-.10 per subscriber. Between A&M and Missouri the SEC will add around 30 million new tv sets. Even if most of Texas is tuned into UT, there is potential for ALL of the tv sets to eventually be tuned into A&M/SEC football. Missouri is the flagship college, so the potential for all of the tv sets to be tuned into MU is much higher, and moving to the best football conference in America won't hurt either.

]]> By: SEO http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24590 SEO Mon, 10 Oct 2011 13:19:04 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24590 Cardinals play in the summer, Chiefs are on Sunday, and the Blues play Saturday nights, which more often than not will not interfere with Mizzou football.

]]> By: Brad http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24584 Brad Mon, 10 Oct 2011 12:46:27 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24584 Tulane could put itself in a position someday to become an SEC addition. It would have to follow TCU's steps, however, and build a powerhouse football program — an undertaking that would take many years. I am afraid that is not going to happen. After Katrina the school's endowment took a major hit. Although it is approximately $1 billion, it should be close to $2 billion but for that major storm. As an alum of one of Tulane's professional schools, I can tell you the university is far more interested in gaining ground in the academic world with Emory and Vanderbilt than it is in athletics. Gaining this ground takes a lot of money. They do not want to slip in those mythical academic rankings to TCU's level, which the schools administration fears would happen if they diverted money that could be used for academics and put that instead towards their football program.

]]> By: Texas A&M Leaving Big 12 - Page 1111 - CycloneFanatic http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24501 Texas A&M Leaving Big 12 - Page 1111 - CycloneFanatic Mon, 10 Oct 2011 02:31:56 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24501 [...] of the college football business. File this one under pure and totally fabricated speculation. 4. Homepage | MrSEC.com Want a good idea of who the Big Fish are for the SEC? This list takes you through who the big [...]

]]> By: deltaboy http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24496 deltaboy Mon, 10 Oct 2011 01:18:21 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24496 Now that's interesting. If Arkansas fans don't want Missouri, it's not likely that any other SEC fans will want them either. Arkansas & Missouri have the best chance of developing a real rivalry. I think LSU & Texas A & M will soon be more of a rivalry game than Ark.-LSU. The addition of Missouri just isn't worth the cost of disrupting existing rivalries [i.e. Ala.-Tenn.], the disruption of extensive travel for real student-athletes & fans, the cost of splitting the conference proceeds with an institution that probably can't pull it's weight. It doesn't matter how many TV sets are in Missouri if no one is watching Missouri football. Bring on Florida State!

]]> By: Jamie Thornton http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24494 Jamie Thornton Mon, 10 Oct 2011 00:34:00 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24494 After going to the AUburn/Arkansas game this weekend and talking to both Auburn and Arkansas fans about it; about 90 percent of the fans don't want Missouri. Most of them all said the same thing. They don't bring the passion to the SEC and they don't want to take a school that looks at the SEC as an escape. Take it for what it's worth. There doesn't seem to be an excitement around Missouri from SEC fans. THat goes for sec message boards and the fans i've talked with.

]]> By: kingottoiii http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24466 kingottoiii Sun, 09 Oct 2011 19:33:02 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24466 The B1G and SEC could in theory kill off the ACC. UNC, Duke, and UVA would never go to the SEC. MD wants to be with those 3 schools and would not likely leave them for the B1G. VT and NC St aren't leaving UNC and UVA behind. And vice versa. But what if the B1G offered UNC, Duke, UVA, and MD at the same time that the SEC invited VT and NC St? Wouldn't that work out for all? If VT and NC St are safe would UNC and UVA really object to splitting? UVA only fought for VT to the ACC because of the fear that VT would be a 'have not'. But if UVA went to the B1G and VT to the SEC they would both be 'haves'. Same goes for VT.

Then there is the question of whether or not UNC and Duke would really leave the ACC. Well those two were totally against expanding the frist time around. They wanted nothing to do with going to 12. SO in there minds the old ACC is dead. Do they really care about anyone else outside the core 4 ACC teams (other two being UVA and MD)? They also care about academics which is a big draw in the B1G.

I think that this would be the best situation for the Core 4, the B1G, and the SEC. The SEC would be adding markets in NC and VA. Then they can take the last big boy available in FSU to get to 16. The ACC would be left with 7 teams and little influence in FB. The B1G and SEC woudl be waaaay ahead as kings of sports.

]]> By: Scott http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24450 Scott Sun, 09 Oct 2011 15:33:40 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24450 Nice article. I think a little more credit is due to WVU in regards to the Pittsburgh and Baltimore tv markets. Either way, you have written a compelling series of articles. Great work.

]]> By: Minnemo http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24352 Minnemo Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:45:35 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24352 Doubt it’s true. But I’m not an “insider”. If it is true then the SEC should drop all interest.

]]> By: Minnemo http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24351 Minnemo Sun, 09 Oct 2011 06:38:53 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24351 You are probably right. But the Big 12 has really ceased to exist. MU needs to move on for its own well being. If the SEC accepts they will be a proud member.

]]> By: Jack Bird http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24344 Jack Bird Sun, 09 Oct 2011 05:25:08 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24344 I don't know what's going on. Maybe some Mizzou fans can speak. But on Powermizzou twitter it's being reported that Mizzou is trying to talk with the BIG to see what can be done. If this is true, best of luck to you guys. THis is from a Mizzou source this time. I really don't think the SEC should take a school that doesn't want to be in the SEC. Despite how many more tv's they add. Or the bigger footprint. Or John's rankings for that matter.

]]> By: Jack Bird http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24343 Jack Bird Sun, 09 Oct 2011 05:18:31 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24343 I agree. even more rumors flying on twitter and powermizzou about the Tigers wanting to talk with the BIG. I really don't believe the SEC should go after Mizzou. I'm sorry. At first I was trying to believe mizzou. I just don't anymore. They're not a good fit. It's time the SEC looked east and start talking with schools. It also needs to be a school who wants to be in the conference, 100 percent. Not looking around at other conferences either. We don't need that big 12 cancer that's been going around that conference, to spread. The aggies clearly wanted out. Not these guys. Or not for us.

]]> By: GPBurdell http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24312 GPBurdell Sun, 09 Oct 2011 02:31:44 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24312 So UGA expanion of majors is competition and thats good, but when GaSo (engineering) and GSU (medical, forensic sciences) seek to expand they're told there's no need becaue UGA has it covered?! Uh, right…

]]> By: Pablo http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24288 Pablo Sun, 09 Oct 2011 00:06:09 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24288 BTW, I was curious…if you have done the analysis, how do the current 12 SEC schools rank in this point total? I would imagine that Florida, Georgia and Alabama are the most 'SEC'-like schools.

]]> By: Pablo http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24262 Pablo Sat, 08 Oct 2011 21:11:13 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24262 John,
Wonderful series. As a UVA alum, I'm more nostalgic about the ACC rivalries (and fully admit the basketball bias)…I've always been skeptical that an ACC school would switch confernces. It great to read such comprehensive analysis of the factors that go into conference alignment decisions.

So long as the major (B1G, SEC, PAC or ACC) confernces have cohesive core institutions, trying to poach a team from these stable entities would be a horrible business strategy for building the super-conference of the future. What is amazing is how opportunistic & cut-throat major conferences have been in pouncing when instability arises. Texas' willingness to explore its options opened the door for PAC, B1G and SEC to brighten their future. To put it diplomatically, the ACC aggressively defended its basketball future by accepting two original Big East schools.

Before reading your analysis, I actually thought that WVU was the perfect fit as the SEC #14. Although WVU would be a good add, Missouri really does offer much more upside to the SEC.

Great job in clarifying this process.

]]> By: Tiger fan http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24240 Tiger fan Sat, 08 Oct 2011 17:55:11 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24240 Just a bit of a disclaimer as I read again what I posted. I was speaking to our prospects for this season – not in
relation to the overall strength of each program. UT definitely devotes much more $$$$$$$$ than we have
available to their football program. Where we're excited at pulling 3 of the top 50 in Texas – and a rumored 4th on
the way – there would be mass hysteria in Austin if they had less than 15 to 20. With OU and UT at the top, A&M,
Okie Lite and MU are pretty closely bunched.

]]> By: Homepage | MrSEC.com http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24211 Homepage | MrSEC.com Sat, 08 Oct 2011 15:01:55 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24211 [...] 1. Expansion By The Numbers 10: The Big Finish. (You can read Expansion By The Numbers 1 through 9 on our Blue Chip Stories page.) [...]

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24145 AllTideUp Sat, 08 Oct 2011 05:50:47 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24145 I don't know why we would want Texas. They are a cancer and filled with elitists.

]]> By: Tiger fan http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24140 Tiger fan Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:49:18 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24140 I checked the records back to 1960 and since then MU is 4-5 vs. A&M. Looking thru my gold tinted glasses I would also note that we're 4-1 in the last 5 matchups (all those played since 2002) with three of those games being played in College Station. A weird scheduling deal (thank you Big XII) has us repeating our visit to College Station this season as well on Oct. 29th. We're all hoping Commisioner Slive will be in attendance to see his two latest acquisitions play that day.

In my not unbiased opinion, the only school marketedly better than Mizzou in the Big XII is OU. OSU is at par with us (but we get them in Columbia this year) and UT and A&M are right there as well. Our recruiting has been very good this year as we've gotten commits from 3 of the top 50 in Texas and about everyone we wanted in Missouri. Picking up DGB would likely put us in the national top 20, maybe even top 15 but we've grown accustomed to not putting undue hype on the stars by a recruits name as Pinkle has demonstrated his ability to recognise and get talent.

]]> By: Red Thompson http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24139 Red Thompson Sat, 08 Oct 2011 04:48:40 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24139 No one is being fair to WVU. Please look at the accomplishments in Research, Rhode Scholars, Truman Scholars, graduate success and merchandise sales. Lord, WVU has big followings in Charlotte, Nashville, Florida and the Atlanta areas. Please SEC do some homework before you put a fine school like WVU down. Plus, it is like adding another Arkansas and that was a good move,

]]> By: andshar http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24131 andshar Sat, 08 Oct 2011 03:08:40 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24131 Excellent analysis. I think you proved why Mizzou high on the SEC's list. One question I have is does the SEC really want just another very good football school? Would they prefer an average football school in Mizzou to FSU, Clemson and WVU because there's already enough good football competition and other factors such as new markets and academic reputation become more important in a 14th school?

]]> By: Tierlis http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24127 Tierlis Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:48:24 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24127 That survey is really bad….it looks skewed by opinion. For instance there is no way UT Dallas should be ranked waay ahead of Rice University.

]]> By: Bubba Gump http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24126 Bubba Gump Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:47:35 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24126 tradeassociation,

a) if you are trying to win friends in a conference you would like to join, it is not good to belittle them.
b) you keep using the AAU as MU's sign of academic superiority, but be careful how you brandish that sword

Most of the midwestern schools got their membership around 100 years ago when entry was easier (most of the founding members were midwestern schools). The AAU must be taken with an objective view to what has happened in the 100 years since. Yes, only 3 SEC schools have AAU status, but you might look at the ARWU index for 2011. Currently there are 6 SEC schools ahead of MU, and 2 more tied with MU (USC & UK), so that means over half of the SEC are your peers, or better than you in the world of research. Please do not tell the folks that their SEC diplomas are worthless because "Academics is not a point of emphasis for the SEC" because it just makes you look foolish to us. We are partners in the SEC and change is made by mutual agreement. If MU is the woman who wants to change us once we are married, I can assure you the wedding proposal will not be forthcoming.

You say MU is a fit, but from your tone, you have no idea how far away your comments sound.

]]> By: kfhonline http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24125 kfhonline Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:42:13 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24125 John / Mr. SEC,

GREAT job on compiling all this info. I have enjoyed it and understand that it is only the numbers.

If you get the time (???), it would find it interesting to now add in the teams from the C-USA and Sun Belt conference into the final tally. I know I know…you had to limit the teams somehow, but these two conferences are already in the footprint or on the fringes of the footprint of the SEC and I am just curious how those team would stack up.

Would you be interested in adding those teams for each category?

Again thanks.

]]> By: Gator39 http://mrsec.com/2011/10/expansion-by-the-numbers-10-the-big-finish/comment-page-1/#comment-24123 Gator39 Sat, 08 Oct 2011 02:25:31 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=251855#comment-24123 The SEC should take a page from the Big Ten and Pac-12's playbooks and hold pat until a better "opportunity" comes along. It's obvious the leaders of the conference aren't all on board with Missouri as they were with Texas A&M. Missouri needs to stay in the Big 12 where they belong.

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