Jon Solomon of The Birmingham News reports today that “two sources familiar with the SEC’s discussions about Missouri” say it “appears” that a majority of league presidents are onboard with MU, but “that majority falls just short of the nine votes required to add a new member.”
One source told the paper that “there’s a group of presidents that wants to sit tight, believing the SEC can do better than Missouri and that No. 14 should come from the East.”
The group that favors Missouri “like the school’s academic profile, getting the SEC into the St. Louis and Kansas City TV markets, and avoiding the awkwardness of an unbalanced 13-team schedule.”
Finally, Solomon reports that Alabama is one of the schools holding out for a team from the east because the Tide does not want to lose its annual game with Tennessee. It’s therefore likely that Tennessee is also in that camp.
Auburn, meanwhile, is reported to want to leave the West Division for the East. (And that’s the cue for Bama fans to call the Tigers chicken.)
As we’ve pointed out on numerous occasions, it’s unusual for leaks — especially of this size — to come out of the SEC regarding specific schools. So the timing of this is certainly interesting. Could someone be sending MU a put-up or shut-up message?
Thirteen SEC athletic directors were in Birmingham yesterday. But those guys won’t be the ones voting on Missouri’s future should the Tigers apply for membership. Could some of those ADs — say Mal Moore of Alabama, Jay Jacobs of Auburn or Dave Hart of Tennessee — have spoken off the record on behalf of their bosses to an Alabama-based writer who they know well and trust? Sure.
But just yesterday an anonymous MU official was quoted as saying that Missouri still preferred the Big Ten and that the SEC is “what’s left.” True or false, good source or bad source, imagine how that went over among SEC officials.
It could be that some schools are truly down on Mizzou. Some might be turned off by the continued “Big Ten” talk (and it’s not just the quote from yesterday, Tiger fans). And some might simply be waiting or more info on Mizzou before saying yes.
Remember, prior to Texas A&M getting a thumbs-up, there were last-minute rumors that Vanderbilt and a handful of other schools would block the Aggies’ entry. Didn’t happen. (We’re not suggesting Solomon is tossing out rumors here, he’s as good as there is in the SEC and he happens to be, in effect, the only writer in the country assigned to cover the business beat of the league.)
The problem for Missouri is this — the more debate there is over their entry, the tougher it becomes for Mike Slive and company to bring them into the league. The SEC is about consensus. It’s about doing what is obviously best for the league. Is Mizzou obviously what’s best?
From a business perspective, yes. From a cultural perspective, maybe. From an academic perspective, yes. From a realignment of divisions perspective, no.
Now, schools like West Virginia and Florida State have gotten a lot of debate among fans and pundits, too. But it’s likely both would still be viewed by the masses as being better “fits” with the SEC than Missouri, fair or not.
And thrown into all of this mix is the “chicken” factor.
If the SEC and Missouri mate now, what happens next summer if Virginia Tech or Florida State suddenly ask or admission? If the SEC passes on Missouri now, what happens if the ACC strengthens, the Big East partners with the Big 12, and the SEC is faced with standing still at 13 or accepting for membership a school that doesn’t carry as many benefits as Missouri?
For those angrily throwing barbs on messageboards, this whole thing appears easy. “Missouri!” “West Virginia!”
But for the commissioner, presidents and chancellors actually tackling this issue… it’s a helluva lot more complicated.
For they guy trying to figure out how to save all of the conference rivalries with a 14 team conference, its simple. You put A&M and Mizzou in the west, move Bama and Auburn to the east, and move Vandy to the west. That preserves all of the major rivalries. Vandys permanent cross conference game would be with Tennessee.
Why does Auburn moving to the West have to cause the 'Bama/UT game to be lost? If you look back to when the league first expanded to 12 teams, there were two permamnent rivals for each team, and one rotating game. 'Bama's were UT and Vandy, the Aubs had UGA and FL. Why can't the league go back to that arrangement, and then 'Bama could have both the Aubs and UT. AU could have 'Bama and LSU, while adding UGA and FL annually. Too easy.
Personally, I say add both Mizzou and WVU, and raid the ACC for VT. Get to 16, and be done with it. If it comes down to 14 for now, My vote goes to WVU over Mizzou. Put WVU in the East, and everyhthing else remains the same.
Hey BamaGreg and Bammer,
How would you define Missouri's culture? It's extremely interesting that SECers seems to know for certain that we don't fit into their coveted culture. Explain yourself.
Are you calling Missoui a state of yankees? Go ahead and give an educated analysis on Missouri culture, WDE>Bammer. And please try to think of something less cliche than "Missouri is a state of methheads." The movie "Winter's Bone" could have easily been about your neck of the woods.
What do they say about throwing stones at glass houses? Douche.
Yeah, I agree with another poster...can't wait to see you in Columbia. Except, you probably get lost on your way up here because maps are designed for literate people.
The SEC needs to broaden its consumer reach and strengthen its academic profile. These are in addition to an athletic program that performs at or higher than the SEC average. Texas A&M fits all of this criteria. They are an AAU institution and ranked #58 by US News. The population of Texas is almost half the amount of the entire SEC footprint today. TV revenue will blast thorugh the roof.
As far as team #14, it needs to be a school from these states: (1) North Carolina (2) Virginia (3) Missouri and (4) Maryland. If these do not work out, then the SEC should stregthen iits market share in Florida by adding FSU.
How about the SEC takes WVU until you can get VT, FSU and/or Clemson into your conference? At that point, if you want to kick us, we will have a landing spot in the ACC. Sure we'd prefer to stay forever, but we are really desparate. I understand this should be a long term decision for the SEC, but this solves your divisional issues by having a true East school in the conference. Abuse us however you see fit for a couple years until your targeted ACC schools become available. You won't have Mizzou making this kind of offer, but I know WVU will.
Please speak for yourself, you are making us sound a pittiful as Missouri by saying we are desperate! Our program speaks for itself, so let it do the talking!
Are you serious? Your program speaks for itself? On paper, Mizzou and WVU are about as evenly matched as you could get. Just flip a coin. And, if you're talking about the last decade, Mizzou has the edge.
Funny..."our program speaks for itself, so let it do the talking!"
You're talking about the Big East here...
If the SEC doesn't go with 16(and I think they should. THe way things are moving this quickly, get your schools and be set) here is another option. The league office isn't going to cut these rivalries off. There isn't much that's sacred in Birmingham, but these games are.
It may have to go to North/South with this split:
North: Alabama, Arkansas, Kentucky, Missouri, Ole Miss, Tennessee, Vanderbilt
South: Auburn, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Miss. State, South Carolina, Texas A&M
Auburn/Georgia, Auburn/Florida, and Georgia/Florida are all divisional matchups.
Auburn becomes Bama's permanent South matchup, State becomes Ole Miss' permanent matchup, so the Iron Bowl and Egg Bowl are preserved.
A&M's old rivalry with LSU is divisional, and Arkansas' rivalry can be renewed by making A&M it's permanant South game.
Tennessee and Vandy are in the same division, so no problem there, and put Georgia as Tenner's permanent South game.
I know how to solve all these problems. People are fighting between MIssouri, WVU, and FSU. If we add MIssouri, it ticks off all the Bama and Tennessee fans. From the School president to the bandwagon fans. So if I'm mike slive, this is what I do. Go to 16. Add Missouri, WVU, and FSU. Have the first playoff to the conference title. 4 divisions of 4 teams. You play your 3 division mates and you have 2 cross rivals in the other eastern division and one from each of the other divisions. You rotate the other schools. THis way everyone is happy. You get the St.Louis, Kannsas CIty, and PIttsburgh market. You get a national draw in FSU. You're set with 16 schools for history. Everyone can get along. I just don't want any WVU fans throwing couches at our friends from MIssouri. Any questions? lol
I've tried doing it every possiable way with 14. But some great rivalry game gets left out. Under my plan with 16 and 4 divisions; none of them get left out. I would hope the SEC presidents would look at this. WVU and Mizzou isn't the problem. How hard would it be to get FSU or Virginia Tech from the ACC? YOu would have to get one of those to make 16 and have this work.
so let me explain it like this.
SEC West Division
SW Subdivision: LSU, Arkansas, Texas A&M, Missouri
Central Subdivision: ALabama, Auburn, Ole Miss, MIss State
SEC East Division
SE Subdivision: Florida, FSU, Georgia, South Carolina
NE Subdivision: Tennessee, Vandy, Kentucky, WVU
Example. If your Tennessee in the NE, you would play the other 3 in the subdivision and 2 rivals in the SE each year. Florida, Georgia. Then one rival each season from the western subdivisions. Alabama, and Arkansas. You rotate with the other schools for the other two games.
I just want to say this first. I've got nothing against MIssouri fans. I've got nothing against WVU fans. I would even say Mizzou is probably the better school, but I hate to put WVU down like that. I've never been to school there. I'm not trying to put anyone down. ALl i've said is if you really want to be somewhere else, but you pick us because we're your best option; then I don't want you. SOrry. THere is nothing wrong with going to the BIG if that's what you want. But the SEC is made up of schools who want to be there. We're proud and one big family. LIke 13 brothers now. You could see the passion and joy I've been talking about with the Aggies. Facebook, message boards, at the school.............you name it. THose guys are crazy for the SEC. I believe it's obvious some of the SEC presidents feel the same way I do. If you don't like what i've said, we will just have to agree to disagree.
The SEC should invite WVU. The SEC officials say we are Arkansas like-and have not the Razorbacks been a good addition to the SEC. The state shares far more traditions (food, music, cultural, legal structures) with the south than Missouri does. The academic attack on WVU is just wrong. West Virginia does not have a junior college system and tries to give state residents a chance at a higher education. Some do not make it. However, when a person takes a look at what WVU contributes to this nation in: Research, talented people, Rhodes Scholars and high tech and green ideas, the school actually ranks pretty high nationwide, The head of MIT is a WVU grad and I think the man who built Kmart is from WVU too. They are all over the nation. So please SEC before you pass on WVU, take a look at the real data and not a perceived notion. So people also question if the SEC is interested in Mizzo because they will NEVER compete in the SEC and just be a doormat while WVU can compete. Come on SEC, bring on the Mountaineers.
How do you think WVU can compete better than Missouri....you were coming out of the Big East for crying out loud...you sent Connecticut to the Fiesta Bowl last year! Are you kidding?
BCS conference is Mizzous destination. Bet the farm on it. They will not be left out. Last year when all this was going on I was perplexed why these SEC fans like on tigerdroppings for lsu wanted nothing to do with us. The thought was whatever, you aint all that across the board with what you have to offer from your institution(referring to the doubters on that board and the others). And here we are.
By the way...Mizzou's academic programs are far better than Alabama. Is Alabama an AAU member? Sorry bud. Go ahead and keep identifying with WVU. That will just bring your conference down. It's West Virginia for Christ's sake!
If you want to knock the guys who are trashing Mizzou then fine, but you won't win any friends by knocking our schools or our conference. Bama is a fine school and no, it's not an AAU school, but there's a lot of politics involved with organizations like that. Mizzou is not FAR better than Alabama. Mizzou fits right in the middle of the SEC academically despite the fact there are some who view AAU membership as some sort of crowning glory while schools left out must logically be "crappy." So you can continue to believe the stereotype that SEC schools have crappy academics if you want, but don't be surprised when some SEC fan nails you on stereotypes. It's no different. It's hypocritical.
I don't like all these SEC fans bashing Mizzou either if for no more reason than it is disrespectful. It's very hypocritical for Southern folks to slam someone they view as "Northern" or "Midwestern" for that very reason when we all know the reason they feel like that in the first place is because we feel looked down upon by others from those parts of the country.
Either way, don't take out the frustration by slamming Bama or other schools. Just focus on the individuals.
AllTideUp, you need to understand that I was posting my comments for two people specifically. While I respect your reply, I'm not worried about making friends with SEC schools when the majority of SEC posters are completely clueless about what Mizzou offers, Missouri history, and pretty much anything else related to Missouri. You know, my very last concern is winning friends with people who actually believe that West Virginia is a much better fit than Missouri due to their cultural and historical traditions. Well, that's truly funny considering that West Virginia's history as a state is due to the fact that they broke away from Virginia to be a part of the North, while thousands of Missourians fought and died for southern traditions in the state with the bloodiest and most battles during the Civil War. Yet, somehow we're just not good enough for the grand southern heritage of most SEC schools. I'll smack my two sense around any day when it comes to blatant idiocracy.
I did appreciate that you don't like other SEC fans bashing Mizzou, but truly I believe you fit right into that category. See you next year, brother.
Me too. I would like to have seen OU and OSU in as well, but that doesn't fit the SEC objective. We need to leave a couple spots open for the east side. That would definitely putMizzou in the west and create an annual divisional game.
Of course I get a bit fired up when reading SEC boards. It's just ironic that people warn you not to knock SEC schools when that's the first thing they do when contemplating a potential Mizzou move the SEC. I'm not someone who backs down in the face of bigotry.
On another note, I would love to play Arkansas. So much that I'd be willing to give up one of the nations best rivalries (Mizzou/KU) to start a new one with Arkansas.
I hope it happens.
I'm an Arkansas alumnus and have wanted Mizzou in the SEC as much as anybody. Heck, I'm even going to Missouri to eat tonight.
Mizzou's academic standing is not in question here. Promoting it by criticizing the other schools is counter to your objective.
AllTideUp is not in the category with those bashing Missouri. You obvisouly haven't read his comments If you want to know how most SEC people feel about the 2 bashers, go up 5 posts to "BIll Stewart" and read my reply to "Mizzou fan in Texas". The majority of SEC posters are not anti Missouri. There are just 2 who incessantly post the same drivel on almost every post.
Lastly, your comment about not wanting to make friends with SEC schools is absolutely wrong, considering you are wanting to enter a conference that considers itself to a brotherhood when not on the battlefield against each other. When talking about cultural differences, this and a compulsion to excel are the main ones. A&M already feels it. However, your feeling is understandable after 16 years in league with Texas. If you do get in, and I hope you do, you'll see what I mean.
As far as BamaGreg's comments about how Missouri doesn't fit into the SEC. If you're talking about "southern tradition", you may want to halt for a moment and consider the thousands of men and women who died fighting for the South. For your southern traditions. And, consider that about half of the state identifies more with the South than the North. You may want to consider that the Missouri was the most fought over state during the Civil War with the most Civil War battles taking place here. Period. Yet, we aren't a cultural fit and our football program just flat out sucks? Really?
And, before you imply that West Virginia is more of a cultural fit with the SEC than Mizzou, you may want to consider their history as well. West Virginia became a state because they broke off of Virginia to be a part of the North. They totally rejected southern traditions. They identified with the North! I mean, some of these arguments on why Mizzou doesn't fit are based on complete stupidity. No wonder most of the nation views SEC academics as poor at best.
I like what Paul Finebaum said about Missouri fans: "They are really blah, really milquetoast."
You just came across as dull as the comment you posted. It's funny how football championships create roves of brainless cocksure idiots who can't accept any other football program simply because it hasn't won a national championship. Unfortunately, you are as milquetoast as your comment.
As far as Tennessee fans not wanting Mizzou in the SEC, that's funny considering that since 1957 Tennessee didn't beat a current Big 12 team in a bowl game until 2005. They lost 7 bowl appearances to current Big 12 teams throughout that time span...no wins. So, it would seem that the Big 12 has had Tennessee's number for an awfully long time. Considering that Mizzou has been in the top 2 to 3 teams in the Big 12 Conference for most of the past decade, I find it equally insulting that a Tennessee fan would consider Mizzou a bottom dweller. Especially considering that Mizzou is one of only a handfull of teams to have 40 wins in 4 seasons. Bottom dweller?
Let's look at Mizzou's bowl success against SEC teams: Wins against SEC teams in bowl games - 7. Losses against SEC teams in bowl games - 2. Our record is 7-2, quite a nice bowl success against SEC teams. By the way, those wins were against Florida, Alabama, Auburn, LSU, South Carolina (twice), and Arkansas, which was a terribly embarrassing beatdown in the 2005 Cotton Bowl.
So, really, enough said on whether or not Mizzou can compete in the SEC. Bottom dweller? No.
You forgot the 1940 loss to Georgia Tech. Most of your SEC victories were prior to 1980, so they are not relevant now. When your biggest accomplishment is beating an 8-5 Arkansas team, that is very very sad.
Well, a record is a record and in our case it's a winning record. Is Mizzou Alabama? No. I never said that. But we are bottom dwellers either. All of this crap about how Mizzou doesn't fit culturally or historically into the SEC is crap. Neither does Texas A&M, and by the way, Mizzou is a far better football program than A&M. Yet, you all (SECers) just opened your arms to A&M like they were long lost brothers. As if they were going to bring this great football program to the SEC. It's ridiculous. They are about as SEC as Nebraska. And they've been middle of the roaders in the Big 12 for the past decade while Mizzou has been top 3 in the Big 12 for the past decade including an impressive record of 40 wins in the past 4 years.
So, if you're someone who doesn't like to mention history, then you should let go of Mizzou's bad 1980s decade and embrace the present. We're a much better team than A&M. And, believe it or not, we actually do fit into the SEC both culturally and historically.
I wonder how (or if) you'll reply. It'll probably be a bunch of nonsense. I don't have a lot of hope...
I don't understand the comments about Missouri adding a tv market, the state is pro football, fan base is not anything like an SEC fan base. There are probably not 25 D1 recruits in the state. The tv ratings won't be close to an FSU/LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, etc. FSU is a national market. Missouri is historically not relevant in football. I wish I knew the real reason the SEC is interested. If it is about money as everyone says, it makes no sense. Texas A&M will be the wealthiest school in the conference, will expand their recruiting base, is an SEC fan base, is in a college football crazy state. That makes sense.
WAY TO GO BAMA AND UT BRASS
KEEP FIGHTING FOR THE FANS- ENOUGH SELLING OUT OUR TRADITIONS AND RIVALRIES FOR SUB-MEDIOCRE PROGRAMS WITH A COUPLE TV MARKETS FOR A FEW EXTRA BUCKS
DONT GIVE MIZZOU THE INVITE UNLESS THEY GO TO THE EAST, OR YOU GET 100% ASSURANCE THE 3RD SATURDAY IN OCTOBER WILL BE PRESERVED!!
THANK YOU
TRADITION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN GREED
I don't understand the comments about Missouri adding a tv market, the state is pro football, fan base is not anything like an SEC fan base. There are probably not 25 D1 recruits in the state. The tv ratings won't be close to an FSU/LSU, Bama, Auburn, Tenn, etc. FSU is a national market. Missouri is historically not relevant in football. I wish I knew the real reason the SEC is interested. If it is about money as everyone says, it makes no sense. Texas A&M will be the wealthiest school in the conference, will expand their recruiting base, is an SEC fan base, is in a college football crazy state. That makes sense.
Legacy. 13 Stars (States) on the Orginal Southern Flag. Missouri is 1 of the stars on the flag. If Mizzou to SEC happens, it would add Star # 11 with Virginia and North Carolina remaining to solidify the Southern States footprint and give the Legacy that everybody keeps talking about.
You're wasting your time with these two losers. It's like Chinese water torture. They reply to every post with the same words, over and over and over, day after day after day. So many words, so little content. Their entire agenda is to spew their hatred on everyone.
BTW one is Auburn and the other is Alabama, If these two were real representatives of the great state of Alabama, the state would more appropriately be renamed Ala"blab"ma.
AllTideUp and several others are more representative of what Alabama people are like. Intelligent, respectful, courteous, and knowledgable. Don't let these two give you the wrong impression of the people in the SEC or state of Alabama.
you are pretty close. excessively self-focused, poor logicians, producers of a multitude of unfounded statements, self-identified legitimate predictors of the future....shall I go on?
Wrong. Feel free to email the administrators if you think we are the same, but I can assure you we are not.
Missouri is much better fit than VT or FSU get real. Would get a fourth AAU school , will only get better in football, already would be the second best team in basketball, VT and FSU stink, think outside the box people, this is not the 1900's anymore. VT and FSU are not leaving the ACC they have it made. WVU , why would you even want this school, just because of a passionate fan base , horrible reason. The report of Missouri rather wanting the B1G but settling for the SEC is speculation, who said it and what are his credentials, does he have any value in the decision process no I doubt it, he sounds like somebody who just wants some attention.
Football rules the SEC, at least as far as the fans are concerned. The fan base is what is watching the game, whether they are there or watching on tv. The boosters that supply the financing for much of the teams want to watch interesting games. We don't need another boring game. Missouri's fan base is nothing like the typical SEC school. The state is not into college football, they are much more into pro football. Back to tv, sure they will add more potential markets, but will they watch. I doubt it, the ratings will be low. The average SEC fan wants nothing to do with Missouri. No one lives football like SEC fans, and Missouri will never get that. They are just not the same culture, and I am sure most of them are glad they are not. I have listened to Tim Brando say Missouri is a footprint the SEC wants. Being from Shreveport, he should know the fans don't want Missouri. He says Missouri because that is the information he gets, so it may happen. I know most fans did not want Arkansas and South Carolina, and so nothing would surprise me. It is not about making the conference stronger football wise, at least when it comes to the powers that be.
MU second in basketball? That is laughable. You will easily be behind Kentucky and Florida. MU has never been to a Final Four in basketball, so that puts you behind Arkansas, Georgia, and Mississippi State on a basketball prestige level. I suspect that Alabama and Tennessee would regularly be better than MU as well.
MU will only get better in football? I don't see how that is possible. MU has been terrible forever in football. Your last conference title was the 1969 Big Eight title. MU can't even win the sorry Big 12, so they would have absolutely no chance at winning even a divisional title in the SEC. There's not a team in the SEC that Missouri could regularly beat.
I get that MU is desperate to join the SEC because no one else wants them, but if you are going to make arguments for MU, please stop trying to make your argument with flat out lies.
As far as basketball goes Mizzou would definitely be in the top tier. Nobody would be on par with Kentucky unless we added someone like Kansas or UNC and no one has ever argued otherwise.
Just because a team may have been in the Final 4 a long time ago does not make that program prestigious. Florida was never even close to relevant in basketball until Billy Donovan showed up and now they are a national power. MSU? UGA? Nobody thinks of these schools as relevant basketball schools and as of now no one thinks of Bama as a relevant basketball school although I hope Anthony Grant can change that soon. Has UGA ever even been to a Final 4 themselves? I know LSU has and you see how crappy their program is today. Tennessee has never accomplished anything in bball that Mizzou hasn't and they just had to dump their coach. They are not exactly a powerhouse either. Basketball programs, much more than football, are about who the coach is. A good coach can build a powerhouse just about anywhere he goes if the school is committed and Mizzou is committed to that type of success at least as much as Florida ever was.
If you don't want Mizzou then just say you don't want Mizzou because you'd rather have a traditional football powerhouse like FSU, but please stop with all this incessant and irrational bashing.
How would you define Missouri's culture? It's extremely interesting that SECers seems to know for certain that we don't fit into their coveted culture. Explain yourself.
Are you calling Missoui a state of yankees? Go ahead and give an educated analysis on Missouri culture, WDE>Bammer. And please try to think of something less cliche than "Missouri is a state of methheads." Winter's Bone could have easily been a movie about your neck of the woods.
What do they say about throwing stones at glass houses? Douche.
What have you ever offered to prove that Mizzou is a CUSA type program? ZIp.
Just because Mizzou is not an elite football program doesn't mean they are worthless. Half of the teams in the SEC currently have no shot at winning a national title. Part of what makes the SEC special is not that EVERY team is some sort of elite world beater, but that our league has more national powers and national title contenders than anyone else. Include in that the fact that most of the other schools can field competitive teams and give the powerhouses a run for their money. Mizzou will be no worse than them and if you can't see that then I just don't know what to say for you. You've got some serious blinders on.
You won't like the SEC too much if you can't get into a run oriented offense. Personally I love the stuff. There's nothing better than running it up the gut on someone and dominating them in the most physical way possible.
But yeah, if you're talking about WDE>Bammer then you have a point.
How many times do I have to say it? Missouri is a mediocre to poor athletics program, with poor fan support, and a different culture than that of SEC schools. The Big Ten won't take you and the Big 12 doesn't care about you. Our conference does not need to take Big Ten rejects. If we can't get a good school, like an FSU or OU, then we should just play with 13 for a while and wait to get a quality school rather than take a doormat like Missouri.
Give us a reason for the hardon for Mizzou and maybe i will, otherwise you have become tiresome and boring like a run oriented offense.
I've said numerous time that I don't want Mizzou because they are a mediocre athletics program that has done basically nothing historically. When their fans act like their basketball program is elite, I am going to challenge that because their basketball program is average and likely to get worse because Frank Haith is a bad coach. He also is likely to go down in flames in that Miami NCAA investigation.
I will be happy to listen to any argument that proves MU is anything other than a C-USA level athletic institution. So far, no one has stepped forward with a compelling argument.
So again, I do not want Missouri in this league. If we can't get a good school, then let's stay at 13 and not water down the league with a bunch of B1G rejects.
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