What Just Happened? A Quick Explainer Of Yesterday’s Missouri Presser
October 22nd, 2011 11:40 AM║ Posted By: John Pennington ║ Permalink
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Tags: Brady Deaton, John Swofford, MU, SEC
Since yesterday afternoon, talk show hosts across the country have blasted Missouri for not making a decision quickly enough to satisfy the desires of said talk show hosts. Many a messageboard SEC fan has posted words to this effect, too: “If Missouri doesn’t want in by now, they can get lost.”
Here’s the problem with all that — Missouri officials never said, “Hey, we’ll have a big announcement on Friday!” The school held its pre-scheduled board of curators meeting. The media figured MU would talk expansion so they showed up. The media — including this site — wrote that we expected a “we’re outta the Big 12″ announcement. But MU officials never said that was coming.
What they did give yesterday was akin to a “we’re outta the Big 12″ announcement, however.
Here’s the simplified version:
* In early October, MU’s board of curators gave chancellor Brady Deaton the power to go out and explore the school’s conference options.
* A 45-page report examining the benefits of SEC membership was leaked to the press a short time later.
* This weekend, Deaton went back to the board of curators to explain what he’d found. And in an unusual step, Missouri AD Mike Alden was also summoned before the board.
* After hearing Deaton’s findings, the board unanimously gave him the right to work out contracts with other conferences. (And in a very telling exchange, Deaton admitted that MU and the SEC have already exchanged information.)
* Deaton can now work out a deal with Mike Slive and the SEC without having to return to the board for approval. It’s all in his hands. And you can be sure the board wouldn’t have proposed playing basketball and football games in Kansas City if Deaton was expected to keep MU in the Big 12.
* Very short version: “Go look around, Brady. What’d you find, Brady? Go cut a deal, Brady.”
* So why not just pull the trigger as the ACC and Syracuse and Pittsburgh recently did? That’s a good question. To be honest, I’m not sure of the timeline of those actions. They were so surprising that it seemed as though John Swofford had simply picked up the phone, called the schools, asked if they wanted in, and then announced the move. But I’ll guess the conversations back and forth probably had been going on for two weeks to a month prior to the actual announcement. That would fall right in line with what’s happening with Missouri and the SEC.
* Missouri’s timeline so far has meshed identically with Texas A&M’s. But if/when Mizzou decides to apply for membership, it’s likely they’ll be unconditionally welcomed more quickly than A&M because the threat of lawsuit is not as great (not after the Big 12 poached TCU from the Big East).
* Why do we say “if” when it’s clear we believe Missouri is SEC bound? Because politics and money are involved. Something could go wrong on one end or the other. But it’s quite unlikely things will fall apart at this point. The SEC and Missouri have been in contact. Things wouldn’t have gotten to the point they did yesterday if the school or the conference didn’t want them to. I heard one talk show host say yesterday that “Missouri just likes the spotlight.” Good Lord. If MU officials could end all this today and stop the thousands of booster, fan, donor and media calls they must be receiving daily, you know they would.
* We expect Deaton is now talking to Slive about divisional alignment, permanent opponents, scheduling, etc. Once MU and Slive have a handle on things, the SEC’s commissioner will go back to his presidents — including those few who’ve been holding out on this one — and let them know of his and MU’s desires. At that point, the presidents will fall in line and MU will be welcomed into the SEC.
Earlier this week we wrote that according to our sources around the SEC and inside multiple school’s administrations, we expected this all to be played out by the middle to end of the coming week. We still feel that way. As we noted earlier this week, Missouri and Texas A&M are scheduled to play football next weekend and a well-timed announcement could create an SEC “preview” in College Station.
It’s our belief that…
1. In the next 7 days — barring any major fallouts between the parties — Missouri will be welcomed in as the SEC’s 14 member. The Tigers will begin play next season in all sports.
2. If they are as agreeable to it as has been suggested by sources in Columbia, the Tigers will be slotted for the SEC East. (Surprising fact: Of the eight schools closest to Columbia, four are in the East Division). As we explained here in great detail, we have been told that the SEC wants as easy a transition as possible and MU to the East protects every major rivalry in the league and requires no current school to shift divisions. It’s the easiest possible transition.
3. Missouri will likely have a say in who its permanent cross-divisional rival will be — as well as those other schools involved. Arkansas is the closest campus to Mizzou and would make sense as a rival. Texas A&M is farther away, but Gary Pinkel would surely like to keep his recruiting foothold in Texas alive. One or the other will serve as the Tigers’ cross-divisional rival.
4. Eventually — perhaps as many as five years down the line — the SEC will follow the lead of every other major conference and go to a nine-game league schedule (over the protests of the conference’s football coaches). This will insure all SEC member institutions will face each other on a more regular basis.
5. There is no drive to 16. Our SEC sources have told us repeatedly that the league wasn’t looking to expand this summer. When you’re highly successful, why mess with that success? But when A&M came knocking — a school that had been flirting with the SEC since the mid-80s — the league couldn’t pass the chance to bring in such a perfect fit (one that also helps the league’s academic reputation and geographic footprint). That required the finding of a 14th school. The ACC was more stable than expected. West Virginia wanted in as did smaller schools like East Carolina, but those institutions didn’t bring enough to the table. Enter AAU member Missouri with its large state population and big TV markets. That’s it. If someone else changes the landscape of college athletics, perhaps the SEC will be forced to follow, but the league will not be the guinea pig when it comes to a 16-team league. If someone tells you Slive wants to add two more teams, they’re not talking to any solid sources in the SEC, I can tell you that. For now, the SEC is done with the expansion process…
Assuming nothing does fall apart with Mizzou.
Could we be wrong in our assessments? Sure. But we trust our sources. And we were the only site to guarantee an eventual A&M/SEC marriage in July of 2010… as well as the only site to discuss Missouri as a good expansion option in May of 2010. So we’ve been able to add 2 and 2 together pretty well in the past.
If we’re wrong, we’ll have our mea culpas prepared. But we think this one’s about wrapped up and Missouri will land in the SEC East.
Ok just swaying that I think that MU does not have I good football program going. They are 3-4 and the teams that they beat are nobody schools so I believe that if they do go to the SEC that the are going to get smacked. I Mean 0-13 every year because the SEC is not a conference to mess around in. The teams are top notch. So MU should just stay where they are if they want to win a game but you know if they want to make lots of money go right ahead MU...GO WVU!
Gee, I left out Aldon Smith, who half 5.5 sacks for the 49ers and leads all rookies and is 5th in the league overall. I think that is about 4.5 more than Fairly or Von Miller, who were drafted ahead of him. Of course, he was only a sophomore. So let's get this party started.
Look, as a Mizzou fan, we are ecstatic about the SEC. The scoop is that Deaton went to the Big 12 board meeting today to tell the other members that they were leaving...face to face....without any of the character assassination, name calling, and alleged sources like Chip Brown to do Texas bidding. Texas, Oklahoma, and Okie St. ran out to the PAC12 and tried to cut a deal. Then they wanted to come back and get everyone to agree to their "contracts"? Give me a break. Mizzou football has been on the edge several times in recent years of busting through. Notions that they will be someone's doormat is bizarre. And as far as comparing us to WV, let's throw out there Jeremy Maclin, Ziggy Hood, Brad Smith, Blaine Gabbert, Justin Smith, among others...somebody name me anybody from WVa active with that kind of talent pool. I didn't think so. OU, Texas, and T Boone Pickens can kiss my big fat ahrse..let them have WVa, they deserve each other. Wait and see..it won't be long before they take their little bitty balls elsewhere.
These comments are by a Big 12 official and appear on ESPN.com today,
"West Virginia has better football than Missouri, better basketball than Missouri, a better budget than Missouri and more passion among its fans than Missouri. They're better, anyway you turn 'em. The travel's not good but that's it."
haha. If they think that's so true, they should just add WVU now. Even if Mizzou stays, play with 11. But we all know Mizzou wont stay. And that's a great way to make sure they don't. lol
WVU has won a good amount of football games. How have they done as part of a good conference? How'd they do against Syracuse?
The Big East was a good conference back when it had Virginia Tech, Miami, etc... before the ACC raided it.
MissouriGuy,
While I see your point and agree, it misses the mark. WVU burns couches when they win, so in a weird way, that is actually a positive thing. Hey the cowbells drive me nuts, but I get what it means to MSU fans.
Not sure that WVU fans would agree that couch burning is part of their culture the way cowbells are to MSU fans...
If that's true, then it's a bad strategic blunder. They've basically just undermined their position that Missouri owes them a big exit payout by declaring that they'll be better off with someone else anyway. Rookie mistake Big 12.
Howdy James,
This Aggie thinks it may be just "sweet lemons." A column in the Austin American Statesman said something similar about A&M. The authors claimed that getting TCU to replace A&M was an upgrade. TCU is a good school with some impressive success on the gridiron recently (Rose Bowl). Although A&M has mostly struggled over the last decade, we are now on the rise. I know I'm biased, but I can't see TCU as an upgrade over A&M.
I hope for TCU's sake their conference change is an upgrade for them. They have done very well with the hand that was dealt them
I think the Big XII is just trying put a good face on the situation and downplay their losses.
Gig'Em!
Mizzou is a disaster waiting to happen. Other than tv sets, which will not be tuned to any games, bring ZERO to the SEC. square peg into a round hole. Over whelming majority doesn't want them for good reason. Trust your gut feeling, it's not a good fit.
And another ku fan wieghs in with his opinion. Happily, it has the same amount of impact as your football team.
I was watching the Mizzou game yesterday and noticed lots of empty seats in their small stadium. Not a good indication they will travel well in our conference if they can't even sellout at home. But after watching their team i understand why. But still the stadium is small. What's their plan John?
It is 71000, I heard that will rank them about 8th or 9th in SEC? There also have been planned expansion of the stadium prior to the interest in SEC. It has been said that MU would be very engaged in a move to the SEC including a continued upgrade to facilties. Also, I think you'll find a very strong interest, even to go to Auburn by MU fans.
I wonder of Mizzou has anybody like Mr. and Mrs. Cook: http://www.chron.com/sports/aggies/article/A-M-no...
Chip Brown! He is only reliable because he throws up every rumor on any board. Throw enough crap on the wall and something will stick.
He is the guy who tweeted "there is absolutely no truth to the ATM to SEC rumors."
I wish the Big 12 would simply send a message and vote to throw Mizzou out of the conference. They have done this before, maybe if they focused on recruiting players instead of conferences they could win a game. Maybe they can get to the Las Vegas bowl this year. Stop holding college football hostage and make a decision already.
Jerod, please go back to Larry, KS and put your lil jay footsie pajamas on, basketball starts soon for you!
For you big 12 fans, ANdy Katz is reporting the BIg 12 will take WVU to replace Mizzou. We know how good his word has been in the past. Chip Brown (who has been the only one with a track record as good as Mr.SEC on all this. He had TCU in the Big 12 when nobody else did) is saying the same thing. For Mizzou to the SEC, I found out from a good source I had in Bamaland that the TIgers had to go in the east. I was told by John that's 50/50 at best, but once again; my source was dead on. I honestly think it's a great fit for Mizzou. In the three border states, 3 out of 4 of those schools in the states play in the east. There are really only two long trips for Mizzou in the east. Columbia(how ironic) and Gatorland. YOu can count on the schedule having the Tigers play one of those games at home each season. SO that will mean only one really long road trip for the Tigers.
I can promise you that if any ACC team had actually shown interest we would be talking about them joining the conference and not Mizzou. So we need to stop thinking about Clemson, UNC, VT and FSU. They are not joining the SEC any time soon.
I agree. The only way the SEC will ever go to 16, is if UNC or Virginia Tech call the SEC. I don't think that will take place. But you never know.
What is the obsession with the ACC. The ACC has been atrocious since the fall of Miami and Florida State. Mizzou won 40 games the last four years in the vastly superior BIG XII. All VT has done with their 'success' in the ACC is earn the right to get pasted in a BCS games. VT should have been forced to play the Big East 'Champion' every year.
Religious exclamations are offensive to many and I'd hope you would consider not using them in the future. Religious exclamations are not needed to convey emotion. Please think about this as you write in the future. Thanks.
Secular fundamentalism is an offense to many so trying to expunge "religious" phrases or words while preserving "secular" or "neutral" ones is a farce.
Mizzou is not a fit for the SEC.
This situation is showing me that the SEC leadership is weak. Virginia Tech is obviously a superior fit in every regard. But we don’t approach them because we may upset the ACC? Please. The ACC snagged Pitt and Syracuse in a sneaky and unethical way, so they wouldn’t have a case no matter who the SEC took
The President of Virginia Tech has gone out of his way to say the school is not interested in joining the SEC. He is on record as saying SEC schools are not who VT wants to associate with. VT is not joining the SEC, get over it folks.
I do however agree with you that the ACC got Pitt and Syracuse in sneaky and unethical way. I heard Coach K on the Scott Van Pelt show last week and he said the ACC acted in a "classy" way acquiring Pitt and Orange. Im sure The Big East Commish and other Big East presidents who got the news from ESPN would disagree. And the Boston College AD said in an interview with the Boston Globe that ESPN drove the ACC expansion. Even though he retracted his statements, I can't imagine why he would make that up.
I believe the Virginia Tech president said the idea of going to the sec was, "poppycock". I might be wrong, but I believe that's what he said. There is no doubt that the sec and it's presidents would love Virginia Tech or UNC. THey just don't want to come. If one of those schools call the SEC in a few years and wants to come; the SEC will be going to 16.
Va. Tech will not leave the ACC, lot of political strings were pulled to get them in and they are now tied to UVA. More importantly they DO NOT want in the SEC. SEC fans think you just call any team and they will come, well Va. Tech is not your lap dog and as hard as it may be for SEC fans to accept we dont want you.
Mizzou won 40 games the last four years in the vastly superior BIG XII. If Mizzou was in the ACC and not the Big XII they would have a better record then VT. All VT has done with their 'success' in the ACC is earn the right to get pasted in a BCS games by such luminaries as Kansas, (a team Mizzou had recently beat by the way)
don't worry. sec will pick up a north carolina and virginia school next. just don't know which one from each state.
I don't think Mizzou has ever had any national championships in anything ever though.. just sayin AU tigers 2010 National Champs BOOoyah!
Go to the public library and do your research before making false statements and you will see that Mu has won National Championships. And although its not as many as Oklahoma State and not a large amount of Championships and it has been awhile they are National titles that you claim we do not have. Prediction....OSU=BCS Bowl...AUBURN=Chick-fil-a Bowl....Mizzou=Holiday Bowl
Mizzou=AAU4life
Yeah. Just like Auburn is getting pasted by LSU. I guess Auburn doesn't belong in the league either.
Fred,
Aside from Auburn being a charter member of the SEC and having a stadium of close to 90,000 they can actually fill -pitifully Missouri was playing a top 5 team and could only manage 64,000 in a stadium that seats 71,000 - the Tigers in Alabama can actually win the big prize in football. Auburn women have been to 3 national championship games, and their equestrian team has 2 National Titles. Auburn also has a gazillion National Championships in swimming & diving. Next time study the history of Auburn before making such a snarky comment.
Bubba,
You are easily the most snarky person on these boards. You could easily throw the same spiel at AU4life and Fred merely made a relevant comparison: One game judgments mean nothing. Fred was making this point, the same as you. The problem is that you are too incompetent or biased to realize that and instead made a snide comment towards Fred that should have been made to AU4life.






Name the only two schools that first conference games were against each other in two different conferences? MU versus Texas A & M. First Big XII games for each were each other & hopefully the first SEC game will be against each other. Looking forward to a conference that treats everyone equally.
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