Comments on: FSU’s Outgoing Top Trustee Makes FSU’s AD, The ACC, Media Everywhere, And Yours Truly Look Bad

By: JRsec

JRsec — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:11:37 +0000

@LVNole I’ve always thought so too, and hope you will be. I just can’t see how F.S.U. wins by being in the Big 10.

By: LVNole

LVNole — Mon, 11 Feb 2013 05:08:02 +0000

“Florida State should be in the Southeastern Conference.” Amen Mr. SEC. As an FSU alum and longtime Noles fan it’s been hellaciously frustrating how we’ve never joined the SEC. After decades of rejection, FSU made an ill-advised decision to join the ACC instead of the SEC in 1990. I am just hoping that by some miracle we end up in the SEC where we belong. FSU-UGA; FSU-LSU; FSU-Bama and FSU-Auburn along with UF of course would be compelling matchups and would generate intense rivalries due to our geographical proximity and similar football-first philosophy.

By: Dash1Bravo

Dash1Bravo — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 23:36:29 +0000

@buddha22 @Mr Well, I have not been outside of StL either, but I’ve read nothing but raves about the move to the SEC by Mizzou fans. You have a head coach who is in favor of the move, and he seems to be pretty competent at what he does. Mizzou moved into the top 5 for recruiting in the SEC less than 6 months after the announcement. So, lets see, fan base is raring to go, coach likes it and recruits are pumped. If that makes MU a poor cultural fit, then…….. we should all look for the nearest bridge.

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:34:56 +0000

@Tomn Wow, is there intelligent life on your planet?

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Fri, 08 Jun 2012 22:31:04 +0000

@Mr Big 12 National brand…hmmm, mediocre decade, what’s the expiration date? MU not a cultural fit? Guess other than StL you haven’t been out in the country in MO have you? Let me guess, your beak hurts?

By: Mr Big 12

Mr Big 12 — Tue, 15 May 2012 18:07:19 +0000

“Let’s face facts, Florida State is a national brand despite the fact they’ve fallen off in football over the last decade. If they couldn’t beat the Wake Forests and Georgia Techs of the ACC for a league title, just how are the Seminoles going to fare in the Big 12 with Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, West Virginia and TCU? Careful what you wish for, Mr. Haggard.” – Mr. SEC

Gee, that scenario looks familiar. Just how is A&M and Mizzou, a mediocre and ‘meh’ football program, going to fare in the SEC? Did these schools bolt the Big 12 for the SEC’s sterling “academics rating”? Is Mizzou, a Midwestern school, a “cultural fit” for the SEC?

What a conundrum

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Tue, 15 May 2012 17:15:48 +0000

@Gban @Tomn if you look at what the other conferences did acquiring Nebraska, Colorado, Boise State, TCU, West Virginia, and more. It should be plain as day that both Missouri and Texas A&M were both critically important to the SEC staying ahead in talent hunt, pro-placement, tv product, media interest, and much more. These two programs could finally tilt the #1 Power Rating from the Big 12 to the SEC. There is no doubt that both A&M and Missouri’s relative scores will look better than TCU’s and West Virginia’s (for example) WVU lost to Syracuse last year. What do you think is going to happen when the Cuse goes to Missouri this year and faces a second year starter who was responsible for 2,900yds last year? or a defense that held the #1 rushing attack ACC to 35 yards at half-time? I don’t expect TCU to finish the big 12 season next year on a 4 game winning streak either, or hold Texas to zero touchdowns. Didn’t one of Texas’s top receivers transfer to Missouri? Adding Missouri or TA&M by themselves would not have been enough to become or stay #1 in the long term AND it might take two divisions of 8 great teams to stay #1 in this brave new college football world.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:48:12 +0000

@Tomn Tom, thanks for your ideas, but you are hanging on the coat-tails of rejected Kansas fans (and the like). The story about the Missouri official saying the SEC was a second choice never had a named source because it was sour grape fiction and statements like this were being made by jilted big12 fans every day in blogs where everybody knew the pen names to be Kansas fans. The media in Kansas City is full of people who make a living selling stories to Jawhawkers. All you have to do to discover the truth about this is go to a rally like the Tiger Train, or Tiger Club, read Rock M Nation, etc. etc. etc.. Missouri fans are pumped about the SEC, and nobody is going to dis (respect) the Big 10, or for that matter the Pac 12 for courting Colorado and other Big 12 schools, that’s not realistic. Your own motivation in this comment is transparent or you wouldn’t be calling a state with 7 million potential football fan (and zero other NCAA division one majors) a 500person potential pick up.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Tue, 15 May 2012 16:22:05 +0000

I think your ideas are historically valid. The NCAA could have said these ideas are long term values, but they didn’t. Television markets are offering to pay for very expensive athletic programs and dish out a lot of discretionary cash to boot. I liked the old Big 8, and the old Pac, and the old SEC also BUT and this is a big but, the strategy of the new PAC 12 is clear, new Big 10(12) is clear(look at the travel distances from Washington to Arizona, the Big 8 has long been a bigger 12-then-10 for a while now (travel distances from south Texas to Iowa) , SEC went down the expansion pathway a long time ago (and it’s still not geographically than some of these other strategies). The NCAA has shown no signs of trying to push conferences back into more local geographies. The financial incentive to stay local has been gone for a long time. Maybe someday the price of jet fuel or some other factor will turn back the clock? Today the handwriting is on the wall. Provide the best and biggest overall venue for your collected brands or become a 2nd choice for everyone from tv viewers to recruits to apparel buyers to sports writers to bloggers. We can make a case for the SEC making the smartest changes of all of the conferences. In the end it might be the fans who believe in the changes that win the conference realignment game and those that don’t believe that make their new conferences fail (if any do fail, because i think everybody will come out of this looking like they qualified for the big dance). NOW SPEAKING TO YOUR IDEA ABOUT FSU, YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT

By: W Hill

W Hill — Tue, 15 May 2012 12:18:31 +0000

As an SEC fan, you have to let FSU “rot on the vine”. Because of geography, Florida, Auburn, and Alabama would have strong opposition to FSU recruiting directly as an SEC school. Whether you are a fan of these schools or not, you will be diluting their brand by adding FSU. Now, if you want to try to marginalize these schools, then adding FSU will help that. I agree with your point that the SEC is the best conference because of the bitter, yet enjoyable rivalries of schools (not geographically far away from each other). That is, being overly concerned about TV market is clearly secondary to the brand of the rivalries.

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Tue, 15 May 2012 05:38:18 +0000

@Gban For some reason that never works for me.

But I’ll try it again…

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 20:54:15 +0000

@Tomn I don’t think you understand how the game is played Tom. MU represents a significant TV footprint. does not matter who actually view it or not. However having live in the KC area, for a few years I can assure you that there are plenty of Mizzou fans.
Still it’s not about that, when you add a state footprint you add a huge source of revenue. If FSU was the only school in Florida and thus represented a virgin footprint the SEC would of surely picked FSU over Mizzou and that would be an absolute no brainer! Mizzou is not a perfect fit by any means, while A&M is, but still they are still a legit BCS D-1 school in athletics, size and are good academically. They are much better fit then WVU!

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 20:47:38 +0000

@AllTideUp Well Haggard is just worked up and I understand it.

As far as paragraph breaks go, I’m just hitting the enter button.

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Mon, 14 May 2012 19:41:24 +0000

@Gban I don’t really know about some of that. It makes sense that FSU is hedging their bets right now, I get that, but I don’t see that they have anything more to gain from the ACC right now. FSU is not going to be given any sort of disproportionate authority. And the ACC isn’t going to bring in any new football powers so if there was any more serious money to be had from ESPN then I’d think they would have it now. I think they are angling out. I agree completely with what you’ve been saying about the old Big 12 schools “that could get out did get out.” The only thing that saved the Big 12 in the long run it appears is that ESPN was willing to overpay for them. ESPN did something similar for the ACC in offering a back-loaded contract, but it’s still not serious money. In part, it appears as though the disproportionate payments that ESPN gave the Big 12 are what is causing this new dust up right now. It was also ESPN that told the ACC that Pitt and Syracuse were good additions to make and that was probably a stab at trying to make the ACC viable long term all along. The people at ESPN have got to realize by now that they can’t put all the pieces together by themselves. They may be better off by just hedging their own bets and letting the chips of realignment fall where they may because it appears that no matter what they do the landscape keeps changing. If I was an ESPN official, I think I might let it all play out and renew the contracts then instead of renegotiating multiple times with the same leagues especially if some of those leagues end up becoming non-viable. And BTW, how are you able to give yourself paragraph breaks when posting? Everything I try just ends up as one big paragraph either way.

By: Tomn

Tomn — Mon, 14 May 2012 16:22:17 +0000

Teams have not left for worse academic conferences? look in the mirror -Texas A&M and Mizzou. Mizzou was an act of panic by the SEC. Bringing an extra 500 tv sets in st louis tha actually watch college ball helps how?

Also, it was clear the mizzou adm did not want to come to the SEC. So FSu isn’ty the only tail wagging the dog here.

Mizzou was a big 10 reject but the sEc was reduced to taking them last year. We all know how much better the Omaha TV market is better anyway.

As to Spetman, he was brought in to be former FSU president Wetherell’s puppet. He is a nice guy but has never been taken seriously by anyone in the FSU ADM, boosters, BOT, etc as a legit AD. Anyone familar with his hire knew he would not be given any authority to negotiate anything of importance.

Lastly,how much was given the FSU business school (or any other Dept.) b/c FSu plays sports against Duke, UVA and UNC? Not a dime in 20 years. The research grants do not rise and fall on conference affiliation or the SEC schools would never get any research money.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 15:26:50 +0000

@Statesman exactly right. In this brave new world of television college football, regions die and nations fly

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 15:14:18 +0000

Oh, let’s just shoot down this Gerbels type propaganda that the Aggies are the one that sought to destroy the Big XII.

Here is cut from the Texags Rivlalries board.

First of all, note the date …. 6 months before the June 2010 Big XII meetings meltdown when Nebraska hauled ass, 6 months before any talk of A&M to the SEC began, and 18 months before A&M to SEC rumors were re-ignited. These quotes from LonghornLawyer on Frank The Tank’s Big 10 blog, in response to speculation of Texas joining the Big 10 Conference…..and leaving A&M out in the cold…..way before any of the original Pac 10 / SEC / talk even began:

Longhorn Lawyer”
quote:Texas’ nightmare scenario is having A&M join the SEC.

quote:If A&M were to join the SEC, it would give A&M a real recruiting advantage that it doesn’t presently have. Worse, it would open the Texas recruiting pool to teams like LSU and Alabama and reopen it to Arkansas.

quote:Texas requires Aggie weakness to prosper. A strong A&M in the SEC is a recipe for Longhorn mediocrity. And that wouldn’t benefit either Texas or the Big 10.

quote:And the fact is that I think a Big 12 without Texas would be so weakened that an SEC invitation to A&M would be forthcoming, and would probably be very attractive to A&M. And that’s something we just can’t have.

http://frankthetank.wordpress.com/2009/12/27/the-big-ten-expansion-index-a-different-shade-of-orange/#comment-54632

“And there you have it. A prescient observation by one of their own, a rational thinker ahead of his time. Of course, when you **** up and have to throw rationality out the window, you must replace it with Chip Brown, Ray Perryman, Morgantown, and buzzwords like “upgrade”.”

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 14:56:10 +0000

@AllTideUp As I said before, Haggard is not stupid. He is using the Big XII like the old rusty crow bar it is, for leverage. The Big XII led by tu is kind of like Hugh Hefner, there in the market to increase their harem! Still, there is absolutely no reason for FSU to not pull this ploy. FSU is in a very similar situation to OU. OU would of jumped the first legitimate train that was leaving the Bevo X that stopped at it’s station. None did! They are saddled with Okie Lite and when one looks at the reality of OU they discover they bring almost nothing to the table that is their own. They don’t bring TV sets and they produce about 5 D-1 quality players a year. They are parasitical they have lived off the state of Texas. I and many others call them the University of Texas at Oklahoma, the best team money can buy!
Anyway, OU would of gone PAC or SEC if the train stopped, It did not, so they are stuck there and are making the best of a bad situation. So really the only thing they can do is to continue to beat the hell out of tu in the RRS, because Stoops is vastly superior coach to Mack! If you follow OU you will see that they began to broaden out their recruiting efforts to be more national, like Nebraska, and especially in the West Coast, because they thought that’s where they were going to be and it is dangerous to have you entire life line from one state if you are going to leave that conference. A&M going to the SEC hurts OU and OSU recruiting in Texas the most.

The point is that FSU is surrounded and trapped in a conference, the ACC, that is dominated by the haughty Basketball Coalition out of NC, they got worked by ESPN pretty badly. They are a better conference then the BIG XII across the board, but got less! Go figure. They are in a bad situation, it’s like the old Sesame Street song. “One of these things doesn’t belong!” MIami nuking itself on a consistent basis does not help them or the ACC football powers. VT, the other football power besides Clemson, another land grant school with a history and passionate fan base, can just wait around and watch the fire works knowing it has a safe place to land, the SEC. One of the Carolina schools at least also can have a home. Clemson is in a better situation then FSU simply because of their location, but not much better. Basically their are three football based schools stuck in the south east, FSU, Clemson and Miami and none of them are going to get invites into the SEC. Which is what FSU is try to use this Big XII ploy to lever. So they are using what leverage they have, the old fart Hugh Hefner flashing his bucks and fancy mansion and a one time spread as playmate of the month! LOL

So bottom line FSU is trying to do two things here.

1. Get an SEC invite, ain’t happening!

2. Get a better deal from either the ACC or ESPN.

3. If neither of these happen they then may take the last desperate act available to them. Sell them selves to Hugh and go for the Big XII, but as I said before that is going to be a real mess. The ACC is not going to lie idly back and the issue of TI is very very real here, who initiated this the Big XII or FSU? The exit fees are also quite large!The Big XII already had to come up with some pretty good scratch to get WVU in the fold, that will be chicken feed in comparison to what it will cost to get FSU and I can assure you FSU will have to sell its self and join the Bevo harem with the old Hugh like Dodds! It may be the pretties concubine of the lot and I am sure Hugh (Dodd’s) is casting his lustfull eye that way, but they will still be a concubine none the less!

Be careful what you wish for! This is coming from one who knows tu up close and personal for a long long time!

Bottom line here, Haggard is peeing into the wind here but in reality, other then getting some of it blown back at you, it is totally worth the effort. If I was FSU I would be doing the same thing. To sit back and just wither and die is not the best option. However, I would never join the Big XII that would be like sleeping with Hugh Hefner!

By: Old Sarge

Old Sarge — Mon, 14 May 2012 13:58:54 +0000

Pearhorn, you are absolutely delusional. Chip Brown was reporting that high up TU officials were telling him that TU to the PAC 12 was a done deal a whole year before Nebraska joined the Big 10. You really need a reality check and at the very least a fact checker for the dribble your Aggie obsession is forcing you to spew on SEC websites.

By: RoadTrip

RoadTrip — Mon, 14 May 2012 13:53:37 +0000

Can’t see FSU going to the Big 12. Sorry – Haggard went rogue to try to start a fire IMO. He’s on the way out the door and don’t like what he has dedalt with for the past 3 years. When/if FSU leaves it will not be to go play in a league where they are beholding to Texas or Oklahoma for their “rights.” They don’t like the equal sharing of funds that takes place in the SEC as well as having to play the gauntlet of teams that each school has to go through to get to the NC game. They more than likely want to sweeten the pot for themselves in the ACC to remain a marquee football school.

By: Statesman

Statesman — Mon, 14 May 2012 12:51:19 +0000

John,

It appears that in an effort to call the horse after the race, that you are discrediting your previous logic & sources. You may have a future in politics(lol).

The Midwest, West Coast & East Coast viewers would eagerly anticipate the Fla. St. vs Vandy, Fla. St vs. Kentucky, or Fla. St. vs. Ol Miss, (sarcasm). It is a good thing that Mike Slive does not think as provincial as you. If he did then the SEC would position itself as a a “Regional” conference that added a football program with a declining national brand, andd cannibalized the existing members. If he added Fla.St as opposed to Missouri then he would have duplicated Jim Delaney’s mistake of adding Nebraska with their declining brand and very little viewer-ship to the BIG. Unlike MrSEC, & Delaney, Slive understands that it makes more business sense to expand your geographic boundary & viewership than to add membership that adds limited upside value. The Bevo12 is a smokescreen and the BIG is where Fla. St is headed. It gives the BIG the southern expansion that Delaney has wanted.

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Mon, 14 May 2012 09:00:49 +0000

Interesting remarks from Haggard on Sunday in response to some of the reaction from his initial statements. He didn’t really back off. “All I tried to say was I think Florida State needs to keep an open mind,” he said. “If the Big 12 or the SEC or any other conference wants to talk, we have an obligation to listen. If the Big 12 calls, should we hang up the phone? No.” I thought it was interesting that he threw the SEC in there. ACC meetings started up yesterday I believe. Interesting.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 07:19:05 +0000

@JohnVol thanks for bringing this up. there are a lot of ways to judge whether a school is serving it’s students and society. it is important to think about however since college football would be a totally different product if it were pro-football for young men ages 18-23 .

By: Namesigner

Namesigner — Mon, 14 May 2012 07:13:23 +0000

“Those are the two top leagues in America because they don’t air their dirty laundry.”

I think you got this one backwards, Mr. Important Sports Journalist Who Signs His Name To Things. The A10 doesn’t air its dirty laundry either – your homespun logic would have them as a “top league”.

People in the driver’s seat don’t really have much cause to be whiny backseat drivers.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 07:02:26 +0000

@Gban @PearHorn This cracked me up, thanks

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 06:47:14 +0000

@Gban @SECede totally agree. this is not the work of a smart administrator or board. just the opposite. how could you screw up the #1power rated conference in the most popular and profitable sport? illustration: Colorado and Nebraska threaten to leave and the conference can’t react. a year passes and the problems get worse. A&M threatens to leave and the conference does nothing. finally Missouri threatens to leave and the conference comes up with an insignificant token. it will go down in history as the dumbest conference administration era ever. college text books will feature it like they do the Kennedy run up to the Bay of Pigs.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 06:35:35 +0000

@SECede Each program that left made the problem worse for the Big 12. Missouri twisted the knife the hardest. It’s not ego, It’s money and power if you can divide them. For me the attitude about the only Oklahoma and Nebraska mattering started when Kansas brought in that ringer for the Missouri game and the NCAA made them forfeit but Missouri was not re-instated as a National Champion (voted), in this situation the conference should have put three years no post season play on Kansas. Then giving Colorado 5 downs to beat Missouri as time ran out and retain their #1 national ranking. Then the vindictive taking away the BCS game from Missouri and giving it to Kansas even though Missouri was ranked higher. Finally the Texas-ESPN deal and thinking that the league would just swallow that even though Texas couldn’t have the deal without the conference.

By: jwolfe

jwolfe — Mon, 14 May 2012 06:25:41 +0000

@KC Guy i’d be interested in seeing how the votes usually lined up politically. Also in knowing how much of Texas’s opinion was really ESPN.

By: BoCat

BoCat — Mon, 14 May 2012 04:56:13 +0000

Something to keep in mind for people who think none elite schools aren’t worth anything or the students who attend them are not intelligent. Yes prestigious schools are a good thing for ones education, but they are not the only thing to indicate a persons success potential.

IQ is Overrated: What You Really Need To Succeed - It doesn’t matter if you did not receive the best academic training from a top university. A person with less education who has fully developed their EQ, MQ, and BQ can be far more successful than a person with an impressive education who falls short in these other categories.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/intelligence-is-overrated–what-you-really-need-to-succeed.html

By: KC Guy

KC Guy — Mon, 14 May 2012 04:34:00 +0000

Huge mistake for FSU. Texas is the controlling power in the Big 12. Oklahoma found that out this past year. Nebraska knew that and finally got fed up and left. Colorado, Missouri, and A&M didn’t want their future dictated by whatever the Longhorns wanted. KU, Kstate, Baylor, and Iowa State would probably all leave if a different conference came calling because their voice and opinion doesn’t matter much in comparison to Texas University.

How is a school with Florida State’s prestige and pride going to react when they find out that they are just a small piece in the Big 12 puzzle? Their voice will not carry the same weight as Texas’. They will have an even more diminished role in the power structure of the Big 12 than they currently do with the ACC. They aren’t replacing Missouri, they’d be replacing Nebraska in the power structure. Missouri was completely ignored. Nebraska was heard some, but their opinion never mattered in the end. The Big 12 is still divided and Oklahoma, Osu, T-Tech, and Texas would all leave if other PAC 12 would open their doors. Why join that mess? The Big 12 is not FSU’s answer.

By: Quantrillionaire

Quantrillionaire — Mon, 14 May 2012 03:35:15 +0000

Alright. this is a pet peeve of my mine. If you are going to reference US News and World report you need t take a good look at their methodology . Frankly, its crap. To attempt to measure the scope and merits of a university by irrelevant numbers such as ACT/SAT test scores (which happen before college!) class size of students over 20, and acceptance rate is rediculous. What about real measures of a schools ability like job placement rates. University graduates perception in the marketplace. # of successful alumni, statewide economic impact, etc., These are no where to be found.

Note well: AAU status is by invitation only and represents many of the national Universities that recieve the most in federal research funding. Emphasis on research at research universities with an implied focus on graduate programs.

Apples and Oranges. Please do not equate U.S. News and World report which makes slight adjustments in their algorithims each year to sell issues, to the AAU.

By: JohnVol

JohnVol — Mon, 14 May 2012 03:15:40 +0000

@PearHorn You just summed up the difference between the Big 12 and the SEC. The Big 12 has six teams in the pre-season top 25, the SEC has the last six national championships. Couldn’t have said it better myself.

Ask Texas about Alabama, or Oklahoma about LSU and Florida…your league is a two trick pony that respectable programs are running away from rapidly. Have fun in Morgantown, Lubbock, Fort Worth, and Ames.

By: JohnVol

JohnVol — Mon, 14 May 2012 03:05:15 +0000

@PearHorn In case you haven’t noticed by now, this is an SEC site. Go spew your drivel on a Big 12 site…that is, if there is enough interest in Big 12 football to warrant such a place.

By the way, UT is Tennessee.

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 02:48:28 +0000

@PearHorn @SECede You be mad! LOL

Preseason polls don’ t mean jack, especially with guys like Chip Brown and Ketch betting the drum.

I do not hate UT, I do hate Machiavellian arrogant and greedy liars it just happens to be that UT athletics is being directed by one of those types!

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Mon, 14 May 2012 02:23:51 +0000

@Gban @SECede
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good stuff. 6 schools in preseason top 25 for Big XII = CUSA talent. Nice one partner. Whew. Real knee slapper. Thanks for the light hearted comedy before beddy bye time.
Your opinions re: FSU …reveal the obvious…you want the Big XII conference to fail and you want UT to fail. You hate UT more than you love your own school. And since you know FSU to Big XII would benefit FSU and the Big XII, you naturally will say its a bad idea. Sad, really.
If SEC was smart, they’d ask FSU to join your new conference tomorrow.
But you know, as the most (or 2nd most; I cant remember) penalized school in the country, I should defer to aggy when it comes to knowing cheating when it sees it. Think about it.

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Mon, 14 May 2012 02:12:41 +0000

@buddha22
Whatever makes you feel better. Read whatever you want to read by whomever you want to say said what. That is not how Texas voted. And by the way…Texas has ONE vote in the conference. One. And it counts for only One. Aggy and NU were the big dogs and had the most stroke when the conference got started. Beebe was Aggie’s (among others) choice. Not UTs. Pure and simple fact. Anyone calling Beebe a puppet of UT is just not playing with a full deck. It is simply excuses of those who are hellbent on being disingenious about the truth.

And for the record…Santa is real.

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Mon, 14 May 2012 02:03:20 +0000

@Gban
Yeah..cuz it was Texas who left the conference, who lied to conference before leaving. No asked aggie to leave…but we sure are glad they did.

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:39:40 +0000

@andysandonato You do know that West Virginia is one of the poorest states in the country right? And that TCU is in the same footprint that the Big 12 already occupies? Your juvenile attacks aren’t a great representation of the intelligence you supposedly obtained from whatever school you happened to attend.

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:17:26 +0000

@PearHorn Oh that is another thing Dodd’s is great at, destroying one of the greatest and longest lasting rivalries in CFB!

And yes it was Dodd’s don’ t try to Bag Dad Bob that back on to Ags they way you did conference realignment!

By: OldArmy

OldArmy — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:13:21 +0000

@andysandonato @David @jwolfe I find that statement hard to believe, certainly no evidence to support that.

By: OldArmy

OldArmy — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:09:54 +0000

SEC is pitiful academically? What a crock. UF alone has more going for it in research than most of the schools in the B12. And AAU is a crock as a standard of excellence. Another club. Whoop. Look at the dollars, and the SEC average is better than…. Baylor, ISU, TCU, both Kansas schools, OSU and Oklahoma. They are not slouches, but compared to being asked to join a club, research dollars are a much better indication you are gaining ground. And Mizzou and A&M compare more than favorably to WV or FSU. So chop-chop some logic into your argument.

By: Gban

Gban — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:02:32 +0000

@SECede Really!? Dodd’s is really good at what, spinning and lying. Let me see here.

1. They are now stuck in a conference with Baylor, KU, KSU, ISU, TCU, TX Tech all these schools besides KSU which has the great Bill Snyder, are no better then Conf USA programs. They cannot move now without their fat little harem.

2. They now have a network that virtually no once can see. They are now trying to extort their fan base and other fan bases to force the LHN on to carries by potentially adding another game. I am sorry even the most ardent UT fan does not find Fozzy Whitaker’s Animal Safari or 50 reruns of some chick volleyball game worth “notify your local carrier” about. Talking about comedy!!! LOL

3. They have a football schedule that is so bad they were giving tickets away last year or offering unbelievable promos. I got offered tickets to 3 different games last year.Basically we are going to see a lot of seats disguised as fans up at Austin this year.

4. Dodd’s has done a great job of reveling the true nature of UT to the whole nation. Your like the ultimate rich has been diva super model! Still a legend in your own mind.

5. They also have the most underachieving football and basketball programs over the last two years in the nation compared to the ‘talent’ and hype levels.

6. Every school that left clearly stated that UT’s influence and control of Beebe and the little fat harem was a major reason for leaving. Even Richard Justive a UT grad and homer, called Dodd’s out as greedy, arrogant and self serving! So do most of my UT buds.

Will FSU go to the Big XII, maybe, but it a desperate, desperate move and one that more then likely spell their doom as a significant program.

Yep Dodd’s is good really good, Good killing the Golden goose just because he wasn’t satisfied being with the elite he wanted to become THE ELITE! Dodd’s is the one that caused all of the reformation. How can little ole insignificant A&M cause such a massive melt down? I mean really were just a bunch of hick red neck farmers that only no about breeding sheep, right!? LOL

By: OldArmy

OldArmy — Mon, 14 May 2012 01:01:50 +0000

Academics so much better in the B12? BS. And A&M will keep, because of the Texas Legislature’s hand in funding, contact with Rice, tu, and others in Texas. A&M loses contact with who in the B12 exactly? Oklahoma, OSU, Kansas schools and ISU. Baylor is no academic powerhouse, and neither is TCU, so who in Texas beats out SEC institutions? Well, Rice (not a B12 member) and the Horns. FSU ain’t a barn burner itself on that front. None of the Universities mentioned are bottom feeders, so chop-chop-chop harder and get FSU a better academic rating before you throw stones like “pitiful SEC.”

By: OldArmy

OldArmy — Mon, 14 May 2012 00:50:39 +0000

@BAMANOLE26 Well, said it last week when this was floating around. Would much rather see a scenario that had the Noles eventually in the SEC. That’s always been far fetched IMHO. I don’t see FSU as culturally as good a fit in the B12 as the SEC (face it, its a Southeast school). But, if you go to the B12, it’ll improve the neighborhood. (I’m still not ready to buy this bucket of recycled beer just yet. Sounds too much like mass confusion out there).

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:47:21 +0000

@PearHorn @SECede Of course UT was looking at other conferences. UT does not want to join the SEC. To possibly persuade Aggie from going SEC and therefore lieing to conference and going back on their word, and in case the conference fell apart, UT was performing due diligence by looking. It aint rocket science.

Now that’s funny, I don’t care who you are!

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:43:40 +0000

@PearHorn I feel like I’m the guy telling you that there is no Santa Claus…wow, you’ve drank deeply from the burnt orange kool-aid!

Texas back room blocked a vote on putting together a network. Go on and search for Kevin Weiberg and articles within the last 2 years as to why he left and why the B12 shot down the idea. The reason, Texas said no.

As far as being disingenious, Pearhorn, that is you being disingenious. You must be the only one willing to put in print that Beebe wasn’t TU’s puppet. Maybe they wanted Jack, but Beebe was their puppet regardless.

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:43:09 +0000

@Gban
This is the epitome of what we call here as “aggie logic.” This is some fine comedy. If no one has called it by now…I’ll do it now. No takebacks!!

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:40:44 +0000

@SECede
Funny stuff SECede…it is funny because it is a classic case of projection. Aggie ego couldnt stand that UT could have such a successful partnership for it’s 3rd tier programming…especially since it happened after A&M’s AD called the Aggie Network as best postioned in the conference to have the most success and be the most profitable. Oops.

Speaking of revisionist history…what is this about UT’s talking points? The only talking points you’ve gotten out of UT’s AD’s office is a) Aggie has right to do what is best for aggie b) Aggie and conference should have worked with UT on 3rd tier programming when it had the chance to and c) just like Aggie wanted uneven revenue sharing at the onset of the conference, UT will not share it’s 3rd tier revenue from the LHN.
The only talking points and whining that have occured have come from NU and Aggy. Talk about airing dirty laundry…

Of course UT was looking at other conferences. UT does not want to join the SEC. To possibly persuade Aggie from going SEC and therefore lieing to conference and going back on their word, and in case the conference fell apart, UT was performing due diligence by looking. It aint rocket science.

Lastly, the Big 8 conference commisioner indicated in an interview that the Big 8 was willing to merge with the 8 SWC schools. Dodds preferred to only add 4 of the SWC schools. Given that Texas was not even in the conference yet, the BIG 8 (Texas didnt even have a vote) voted to add 4 schools.

At least we can agree on something. Dodds is good. Really good.

By: PearHorn

PearHorn — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:26:23 +0000

@buddha22
That is not how Texas voted. But whatever helps you sleep better at night.
Dan Beebe was NU’s and Texas A&M’s candidate. Texas wanted Jack Swarbrick for commissioner. Anyone calling Beebe a puppet for UT is disingenious at best.

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Sun, 13 May 2012 23:19:35 +0000

@SECede Dodd’s is good, but he overplayed his hand and A&M and MU called his bluff, took the chips and went to a better place.