Comments on: SEC And Big 12 Agree To New Bowl, But What Else Does It Mean? And For Whom? http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/ Up to the minute SEC football and basketball news Mon, 20 May 2013 17:18:50 +0000 hourly 1 By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74978 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 19:21:35 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74978  @JohnVol Well, I didn’t say the 2011 team would have won it all.  You said we never could which is BS.
 
 

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74977 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 19:20:11 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74977  @JohnVol That’s my point.  Tee sucked and still won.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74966 JohnVol Mon, 21 May 2012 16:44:33 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74966  @michael8349 You lost to Syracuse and Louisville. South Carolina would’ve owned you.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74965 JohnVol Mon, 21 May 2012 16:43:26 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74965  @michael8349  @JohnVol Tee Martin DID win it all, Pat White didn’t. That’s the difference.

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74933 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 06:10:03 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74933  @JohnVol And, yes, I forget South Carolina.  It was kind of easy to do considering they were over-rated.  They didn’t even play Bama or LSU and they lost to Auburn and Arkansas.  Their best win was against Clemson, you know, the team that we scored 70 points on. 

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74931 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 05:25:27 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74931 @JohnVol Hey Dimwit, it is a 12-team league meaning you don’t play everybody. 
 
And, hey, if Tee Martin can win the MNC then Pat White can.  I can’t seem to remember any Pro Bowls that Martin played in.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74929 JohnVol Mon, 21 May 2012 04:30:04 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74929  @michael8349 #10 South Carolina is average or below. FACT. Hahaha. I’m starting to think you’ve never watched a college football game. 

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74928 JohnVol Mon, 21 May 2012 04:29:37 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74928  @michael8349 Yeah, I guess a top ten South Carolina team is average. Yep, #10 in the country is average. Get a clue. The SEC has so many top ten teams that you’re forgetting them. “Yeah, all the SEC had last year was three top 5 teams”. Hahaha. WVU is a joke. 
 
Are you talking about the same Pat White who is tearing up the NFL? Wait a minute…
 
Or the WVU team that lost out on the national title game by losing to a bad Pitt team?

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74927 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 02:55:24 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74927  @JohnVol And in 2010 LSU needed a Patrick Peterson punt return TD to beat us in Death Valley.  I wouldn’t call that dominance.  We had a hard time stopping them last year because we lost those 4 NFL draft pick I talked about.
 
Face it, besides Bama, LSU and Arkansas, the other nine teams in the SEC were average or below.   That’s a FACT.

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74926 michael8349 Mon, 21 May 2012 02:43:15 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74926  @JohnVol   And last year’s WVU team wasn’t as good as the Pat White-led team.  That team would have torn though Bama’s schedule.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74920 JohnVol Mon, 21 May 2012 00:51:22 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74920  @michael8349 Alabama’s strength of schedule was 15, WVU was 57 (Sagarin). Get some facts, dude. Bama played three top five teams in their own division (LSU twice, Arkansas). They went 2-1, with the only loss being by a FG in OT to LSU at home. WVU played LSU at home and lost by 26. The schedules don’t even compare. 

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74883 AllTideUp Sun, 20 May 2012 12:00:10 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74883  @KC Guy  @Scott   I definitely believe Dallas is the place to go if you’re looking for a quality facility.  Nothing out there compares to Jerry World right now.  They can get above 100K with the standing room tickets and no doubt this game will sell out no matter how many seats are available. 
 
I always thought the Cotton Bowl got the shaft when it came to the BCS.  It’s a great bowl with a lot of tradition in a great city.  How did the Fiesta Bowl get such instant prominence?  A big game belongs in Dallas.

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74882 AllTideUp Sun, 20 May 2012 11:56:18 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74882 I know Slive was focused on teams to the West last year.  I’m talking about future teams from here on out.  The ACC has got to be destabilized before more teams will leave.

]]> By: lazlong http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74842 lazlong Sat, 19 May 2012 22:37:08 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74842 Kansas State does not belong in your group of the undeserving. 
We will never get to the top 48 teams as long as conferences stay together.  Kentucky, Kansas, and Duke have no place at the football table.

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74841 michael8349 Sat, 19 May 2012 22:32:58 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74841  @JohnVol Give me a break.  Alabama had three tough games last year (LSU twice and Arkansas) Auburn was average, Tennessee was below average, Ole Miss sucked, Florida was inept, Vanderbilt sucked, MSU was better than they usually are but that is not saying much.  Penn State was their only OOC game worth a damn and they have been a shadow of themselves for years.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74840 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 22:12:54 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74840  @michael8349 FIrst of all, LSU went undefeated in SEC last year. Auburn did the year before that, Bama did the year before that, Tennessee did in 1998, Auburn did in 2004…so you’re wrong there. 
 
So there actually is a really good chance you’d have to go undefeated to win the league. WVU wouldn’t come close, therefore no BCS for WVU.

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74838 michael8349 Sat, 19 May 2012 22:04:53 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74838  @JohnVol  Well, I didn’t say we would go undefeated in the SEC.  Of course, most of the SEC champs I can remember weren’t undefeated.
 
And, yes, we were average during the Stewart years mainly because he hired an OC that had never been OC on any level, including HS, and they changed the offense instead of just sticking with the spread that led to our success.
 
Also, Rich Rod’s problem in Michigan had nothing to do with his O.  His D sucked because his DC (Jeff Casteel) was still in Morgantown.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74827 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 19:56:28 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74827  @michael8349 You’re trying to make the argument that Rich Rod would’ve had success against the big boys, when he in fact DID coach against the big boys at a better program than WVU and went 15-22. 

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74826 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 19:50:25 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74826  @michael8349 And yes, I know you’re not in the Big East anymore. But that’s where you were when Rich Rod coached. Ya know, before he ditched you to go to Michigan. Where he failed miserably. 

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74825 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 19:49:28 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74825  @michael8349 Let’s say you beat LSU (which you didn’t, at home). Ok, that’s one game. Go play #2 Alabama the next week. The following week go play #5 Arkansas. Then #20 Auburn. And when you’re done with that, go play #10 South Carolina in Atlanta. Still think you’d make the BCS? You really think WVU would have beaten three top five teams in its own division, another in the top 20, and yet another top 10 team in the SEC Championship Game? Get a grip.
 
WVU could win a few SEC games, but the difference in the SEC is that you’re playing a top 20 team almost every week. That’s different than Rutgers, Pitt, Girls Prep, and whoever else is in the Big East. But let’s not forget…LSU blew your doors off. I don’t know what you’re basing this argument on.
 
“If we can beat your champ”…hahaha. You didn’t! You lost by 26. At home. You lost to them the year before that, too. 
 
Ask a Michigan fan what they think of Rich Rod’s teams. 

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74823 michael8349 Sat, 19 May 2012 19:19:30 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74823  @JohnVol That’s not the coaching change I was referring to.  Stewart was the coach before Holgerson.  And, yes, I believe Rich Rod teams would have beaten LSU.  Also, if we can beat your champ, we can beat anybody in your league.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74815 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 18:18:03 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74815  @michael8349 So had Rich Rod still been there, you think WVU would’ve beaten that LSU team? No way. I like West Virginia, but if they had to play SEC competition week in and week out there is no way they would’ve qualified for BCS bowls. 

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74807 michael8349 Sat, 19 May 2012 17:28:46 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74807 Tell that to Georgia (SEC Champ), Oklahoma (Big 12 Champ) and Clemson (ACC Champ).

]]> By: michael8349 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74806 michael8349 Sat, 19 May 2012 17:27:42 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74806  @JohnVol Well, what do you expect, they were installing a new offense with a new coach and also lost four NFL draft picks from their defense the previous year.

]]> By: lb3 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74802 lb3 Sat, 19 May 2012 17:05:57 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74802  @AllTideUp  You’re too focused on the ACC.  Slive was looking west while everyone else was looking east to the ACC.  In one single move, Slive locked Texas & Oklahoma into a fragmented conference, limited PAC expansion to within their own footprint (or to states with no population,) and freed up NC State and VT to come join the SEC.  This move has secured the SEC’s place in college athletics for at least another generation.
 
With the B1G and PAC looking for conference tie-ins for a playoff system and the SEC and the smaller conferences favoring taking top ranked teams, I expect to eventually see a compromise playoff format that will have the 4 conference champions along with the next 4 highest ranked teams.
 
Last year would have seen the following seedings based on week 15 rankings:
LSU vs Wisconsin 
Alabama vs Boise State
Oklahoma State vs Arkansas
Stanford vs Oregon
 
With 3 teams in an 8 team playoff, the SEC would have had a team in no less than 5 of the 7 games, and if Arkansas beats OK St, 6 of the seven games.  The SEC could end up with a full 50% of all the revenue generated by an 8 team playoff in that scenario.
 
Slive knows how to play this game.

]]> By: KansasBig12Pride http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74797 KansasBig12Pride Sat, 19 May 2012 15:12:20 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74797 Lets be honest here, the location will go to the highest bidder and we all know who that will be. Jerry World overpays for everything. He paid 30+Million for a boxing match and with the likelyhood of either Texas or OU playing in this game and also an SEC top 3 team, he will probably put down double what the Super Dome or St Louis could put down. The man knows how to overspend, except in this case, it will probably make him money. 

]]> By: KC Guy http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74789 KC Guy Sat, 19 May 2012 12:41:26 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74789 @Scott I agree that San Antonio would be a great destination, but is the Alamo Dome the type of facility needed to compete with the Sugar Bowl and Rose Bowl. I would say that yes, the facility is comparable to the Sugar Bowl, but now where near comparison to the Rose Bowl. Last year’s attendance numbers speak volumes.
Alamo Dome 65,256 – 100.39% of capacity
Sugar Bowl 64,512 – 88.12 % of capacity
Rose Bowl 91,245 – 100.12% of capacity

I have no doubts that the SEC and Big 12 want a game bigger than the Rose Bowl in every possible way. That means hosing a game in a facility that can hold 90,000 plus fans. In my mind, this would make the Jerry Dome the favorite. They crammed more than 103,219 fans in there for the Super Bowl and it’s really the only option when you compare both attendence and luxury options.

]]> By: Scott http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74784 Scott Sat, 19 May 2012 09:25:43 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74784 Why is no one talking about San Antonio as a possible site?  It has the best weather and the most to do of any city in the B12 footprint.  As a fan, I’d be more likely to make a week’s vacation of a game there as opposed to Dallas, Houston, or STL.  I say rotate the game between SA and NO.

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74770 AllTideUp Sat, 19 May 2012 04:41:28 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74770 Ok, so here’s my latest theory and since my theories are usually off you can take it with a grain of salt:
 
Maybe the SEC is ultimately trying to destabilize the ACC because ideally the schools the SEC wants are in that conference.  Maybe this will encourage the likes of FSU, Clemson, Miami, and maybe Georgia Tech to bolt for the Big 12 to maintain future relevance and that would also ensure that this new SEC/Big 12 bowl will be even bigger for the future.  FSU would be the first to bolt and with the instability that could cause in the ACC with its now overvalued contracts perhaps that will encourage more moves? 
 
I can see the B1G being interesting in Maryland and UVA.  I think the B1G may be the only league that schools like that would bolt for.  Notre Dame has to see the writing on the wall by this point.  Perhaps Rutgers or UConn completes that league.  The other three I mentioned earlier(GT, Clemson, Miami) are surely looking to get out by now in this scenario.  The Big 12 welcomes them with open arms.
 
By this point the SEC would surely be in talks with Virginia Tech and UNC.  Virginia Tech is valuable for obvious reasons and they know they have the choice between the SEC and the Big 12 should things go down the toilet for the ACC.  The SEC would be stupid not to jump on that with their network coming down the pike.  UNC is also an obvious choice for the reasons someone stated earlier.  The SEC would prefer them over NC State for several reasons: 1) UNC is AAU, 2) UNC is the biggest athletic product in that very populated and still growing state, 3) UNC brings a national brand in basketball that helps the SEC make greater inroads in that market especially with their ESPN contract 4) There is no true football product in the state of NC so it’s a wash in that area.
 
I think it’s also possible that the Big 12 fills out to 16 as well in this scenario.  With who?  Maybe some combo of NC State, Duke, Louisville, Pitt, or BYU?
 
I have no idea what the PAC 12 would do if anything.     

]]> By: Kyle http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74769 Kyle Sat, 19 May 2012 04:32:21 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74769 Four is a good start but I see 8 down the line: Rose pits Big 10-PAC 12, Sugar/Cotton “Champions” – Big 12/SEC, Orange -ACC/Big East, Fiesta: MWC vs. CUSA (or two highest “second tier” conference champions: some years maybe Sun Belt rises up)

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74767 AllTideUp Sat, 19 May 2012 04:01:02 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74767  @KC Guy I agree.  I always rely on Mr SEC for the meat of my college football info.

]]> By: AllTideUp http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74766 AllTideUp Sat, 19 May 2012 03:59:56 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74766  @gatorwhisperer I might be wrong, but I think one of the reasons 2014 seems to be the key year in all these discussions is because that is when the current BCS contract is up.  So it seems to be focal point of any potential changes.

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]]> By: GZA92 http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74762 GZA92 Sat, 19 May 2012 02:56:39 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74762 Great work as always John; it’ll be interesting how everything looks after this.

]]> By: viciousdawg http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74760 viciousdawg Sat, 19 May 2012 02:45:01 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74760  @m_Ag The ACC will probably just play the champ of the Big east/mac/conf usa in the Orange Bowl…. oh wait… They already do.

]]> By: viciousdawg http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74759 viciousdawg Sat, 19 May 2012 02:39:26 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74759  @Bocktean They not the sorry for the typo

]]> By: viciousdawg http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74758 viciousdawg Sat, 19 May 2012 02:38:59 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74758  @Bocktean UNC sn’t going anywhere the are and always will be a basketball school first. And that’s what the ACC is becoming.

]]> By: safety guy http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74757 safety guy Sat, 19 May 2012 02:36:06 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74757 Great article and analysis.   The end result of this situation is anybody’s guess.  Could this be the start of the 4 team superconferences or just another high profile game.  But it would be nice if the major conferences made the same arrangements with teams 1 – 6 in each conference to actually see who was the better conference.  Have the conferences own the bowls and drive all the politics out of the bowls.  Rotate conferences so maybe SEC #2 plays Big 10 #2 and SEC #3 plays Pac #3. Have the other games set up like this so we can get good bowls that actually mean something.

]]> By: Bocktean http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74756 Bocktean Sat, 19 May 2012 02:12:40 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74756 Fantastic job, John.
 
I can’t see the SEC/B12 accepting an arrangement where their teams face off to determine someone to face the B1G/P12 winner. Most years, the SEC/B12 teams would be 1 and 2 seeds in a 4 team playoff. I could see these two bowls evolving into semi-finals, but that involves logistical and legal complications.
 
If the ACC cracks up, it’s 2 biggest prices would be FSU and UNC, followed by VaTech, Duke, and NC State. North Carolina is the 10th largest state in the country for eyeballs, and most of that population falls in the Charlotte/Raleigh-Durham/Greensbor-Winston Salem media markets – both a large and affluent demographic. Only UNC really draws well across the state, and you see their merchandise prominently across the country.
 
So, where does UNC end up, and who do they take with them? I cannot see UNC, Duke and State splitting. The campuses are within rock-throwing distance of each other. They are all three research powerhouses with enormous common business interests in the area. Yes, I’m a Tar Heel by sheep skin, Bama fan by birth. It’s not a bad fan life.

]]> By: JustAnotherBamaFan http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74754 JustAnotherBamaFan Sat, 19 May 2012 02:06:44 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74754 Is it possible that the ACC got wind of this new SEC/Big-12 partnership ahead of time, and that this is the ultimate reason behind the ACC’s sudden backing of a conference champion playoff model?
From my initial perspective nothing has really changed for FSU. Stick with an easier to win ACC, and guarantee yourself a playoff spot should the Conf Champ Model be adopted, or join either the SEC/Big-12 and risk not even playing in the new Rose Bowlesque like partnership.
Too me this just seems to be the more likely reason Slive and Swafford would suddenly disagree after standing beside each other for so long…Swafford feels slighted because instead of an ACC/SEC partnership Slive chose the Big-12.

]]> By: DavidMathieu http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74752 DavidMathieu Sat, 19 May 2012 01:58:37 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74752 I can’t see the SEC/B12 accepting an arrangement where their teams face off to determine someone to face the B1G/P12 winner. Most years, the SEC/B12 teams would be 1 and 2 seeds in a 4 team playoff. I could see these two bowls evolving into semi-finals, but that involves logistical and legal complications.
 
If the ACC cracks up, it’s 2 biggest prices would be FSU and UNC, followed by VaTech, Duke, and NC State. North Carolina is the 10th largest state in the country for eyeballs, and most of that population falls in the Charlotte/Raleigh-Durham/Greensbor-Winston Salem media markets – both a large and affluent demographic. Only UNC really draws well across the state, and you see their merchandise prominently across the country.
 
So, where does UNC end up, and who do they take with them? I cannot see UNC, Duke and State splitting. The campuses are within rock-throwing distance of each other. They are all three research powerhouses with enormous common business interests in the area. Yes, I’m a Tar Heel by choice, Bama fan by birth. It’s not a bad life.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74749 JohnVol Sat, 19 May 2012 00:23:33 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74749 Exactly. Look at what LSU did to WVU in Morgantown last year. 

]]> By: SouthernAggie http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74748 SouthernAggie Fri, 18 May 2012 23:56:26 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74748 I doubt it’d happen, but they could get creative and work out a rotation where one bowl would get the SEC-Big 12 matchup and the other bowl would get a national semifinal game, and they’d swap back and forth each year.

]]> By: MizzouTom http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74746 MizzouTom Fri, 18 May 2012 23:09:54 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74746 They did this in a very weak Big East that hardly deserved AQ status. Put those WVU teams in the SEC or Big 12 during that time and I doubt they’d ever have gotten those bids.

]]> By: MizzouTom http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74745 MizzouTom Fri, 18 May 2012 23:04:13 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74745 Great article, John.
 
You have had the best coverage of the conference expansion/realignment over the past couple years.

]]> By: JohnVol http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74741 JohnVol Fri, 18 May 2012 21:54:11 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74741 Great post, John.
 
I agree with the commenter below who suggested a sort of “home and home” for this new bowl game. One year the Big 12 hosts in Arlington, the next year the SEC hosts in either New Orleans or Atlanta. 
 
I also agree that Slive’s mindset was probably nothing more than “OK, Delaney. You want to watch Michigan go get killed by USC in the Rose Bowl? Fine. We’ll play Oklahoma-LSU in Jerry World. We’ll see which game is worth more money.”
 
I wonder if Slive is trying to squeeze FSU out of the ACC to de-stabilize that conference and get two teams like VT and NC State. This would create huge new markets in big, fast-growing states that would make the SEC hundreds of millions of dollars in TV revenue. 
 
All of this is very interesting. I’m just glad the SEC is going to come out on top no matter what. 

]]> By: USCTraveler http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74739 USCTraveler Fri, 18 May 2012 21:33:23 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74739 It will be more like 54-64 teams.  The programs that are worthwhile as football schools, who have invested in their programs and shown a commitment to winning (or who are located in a great market but and are decent in football, aka Georgia Tech) will all be par of the superconference structure if it plays out.
 
GT and UNC will be included if they want to be.  Pitt might because of the relationship with Notre Dame.  MD and Syracuse-  are you kidding with those two ?
 
 

]]> By: B12WVU http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74738 B12WVU Fri, 18 May 2012 21:20:08 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74738 FWIW, WVU has 3 BCS Bowl wins in the last 8 years.  It’s no shock that the B12 recognized WVU’s value in sports/fans/tradition vs. some of the so-called “Quality” leftovers from the BE/ACC.  

]]> By: m_Ag http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74737 m_Ag Fri, 18 May 2012 21:06:30 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74737 If this isn’t meant to hurt the ACC, then I’m guessing the SEC and Big Ten will both be calling the ACC to setup a permanent bowl matching up the ACC champion against the #2 team from their conference, probably in Florida.

Several months ago when talking about bowl structures, I told someone the SEC’s dream would probably be to have the Big 12 champ tied to the Sugar Bowl and the ACC champ in the Orange Bowl, with the SEC champ going to the higher ranked opponent and SEC #2 going to the other. This wouldn’t quite be that, but it would be nice.

]]> By: guest http://mrsec.com/2012/05/sec-and-big-12-agree-to-new-bowl-but-what-else-does-it-mean-and-for-whom/comment-page-1/#comment-74736 guest Fri, 18 May 2012 21:03:32 +0000 http://www.mrsec.com/?p=255393#comment-74736 If we move to a Big Four where the likes of Iowa State and WVU are survivors and some quality names from the ACC and BE are left out then college football has indeed gone over the edge.  While the prospects of Texas vx LSU, etc, sounds appealing, the concept of creating a new top tier of just 48 teams is appalling.  Kansas State, Oregon State and Washington State – in??  Pitt, UNC, Syracuse, MD and Georgia Tech – out??
 
This simply makes the guy calling for an end to the sport sound all the more sane.  At the least, perhaps it’s time to cut the collegiate associations and simply go semi-pro.  Not like players at Bama and USC are studying, anyway.

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