Comments on: Was The SEC, Missouri, And Texas A&M Union A Smart Move?

By: Guest3

Guest3 — Sun, 30 Dec 2012 17:46:56 +0000

Rereading this article now at the end of 2012, I wonder what everyone is thinking about the Missouri & A&M move into the SEC. There are lots of comments and statements made that both of these colleges might not really be fit for the SEC. But I wonder how many people are gaging on their words now. I believe that Texas A&M has more than proven that they fit in the SEC just fine. Granted the two losses they had to Florida and LSU were significant, but as has been stated. They had a freshman QB and the total loss in point combined was only 8. Now we will all just have to sit back and see what happens in 2013. Because Texas A&M while losing a number of seniors, will have a wealth of soph/Juniors on their squad then. Oh yeah, they will also have a second year QB, who has already won the Heisman.

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By: Muck_Fizzou

Muck_Fizzou — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:09:35 +0000

@buddha22 I have Big 12 colored glasses (whatever those are) and A&M was more of the catalyst for the for recent departures whereas Missouri was more responsible for Nebraska’s move to the Big 10 where Mizzou still wishes they could be.

By: Muck_Fizzou

Muck_Fizzou — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 03:02:57 +0000

@buddha22 I’m curious, which of Mizzou’s two national championships did Norm participate in? Baseball or Track & Field?

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:09:05 +0000

Guest, I’m not sure what colored glasses you are looking through but burnt orange or crimson and blue would be a good guess. Especially in MU’s case how you can say with a straight blog response say they had a large part in the dysfunction…after the UT/OU 2nd rd of flirting with the P12, apparently while they asked everyone to hold on and pledge grant of rights, came to light, MU finally had enough and said yes to pursuing the SEC. Forgive me if sitting there and taking that BS is kU’s only option, it wasn’t for A&M or MU!

By: Mosnowman

Mosnowman — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 23:10:20 +0000

@buddha22 Exactly! @JamieThornton ….I could also care less about the games 30 years go…so if we look waaaay back at 2008 at our last meeting Mizzou spanked Arkansas. Buddha hit the nail on the head…you guys were defeated in the first quarter by us. Please consider using a little logic with your statements. Mizzou could care less about delusional pig comments…by the way we sold out the Cotton Bowl in 38 minutes ….so fans in the stands seems more like an Arkansas issue. In any event this is beginning to bore me so post your next illogical comment and I’ll give you the last word as a gift for spanking you guys last time we met in ancient 2008….looking forward to spanking you again in the near future as well.

By: Guest

Guest — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 21:18:24 +0000

Great article. The only thing I have issue with is that the author made it sound like Missouri and A&M were lucky to escape a dysfunctional Big 12, without taking into consideration that those two schools played a very large part in that conference’s overall dysfunction.

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Sun, 08 Jul 2012 04:55:53 +0000

@JamieThornton @Mosnowman Jamie, the reason that McFadden et al were not playing much is that you were down so far that your only hope was passing and well, they were pretty ineffective against MU’s defense.

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Thu, 05 Jul 2012 17:17:59 +0000

@Mosnowman I didn’t say he we didn’t get beat fairly. I just said the truth. Houston Nutt left after the LSU win. I guess you should check with some people who know SEC football on that one. It’s also true that the big 3 played very little in the 3rd qt. and not at all in the 4th. As for all your games, I could care less about games in the 60′s. If you have to go to the nursing home or the grave to channel up your grandpa and ask him about those games, I could care less. Kind of like Mizzou football. I hope you guys will put more fans in the stands and care more in the sec, than what you do for number one Oklahoma.

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Homepage | MrSEC — Thu, 05 Jul 2012 16:57:12 +0000

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By: Mosnowman

Mosnowman — Thu, 05 Jul 2012 14:15:18 +0000

As I said…the truth hurts…scores tell the story…not excuses….So Arkansas “destroyed” us by 14 points in the Indy Bowl, but you gave away the Cotton Bowl to us when we spanked you by 31 points in 2008? I guess I need to work on my comprehension of your logic….

Average Score : Mizzou. 15.2. Arkansas. 9.4

All games
2008/01/01 Mizzou 38 Arkansas 7. Cotton Bowl
2003/12/31 Mizzou 14 Arkansas 27 Independence Bowl
1963/09/28 Mizzou 7 Arkansas 6
1944/09/23 Mizzou 6 Arkansas 7
1906/11/10 Mizzou 11 Arkansas 0

By: redscribe66

redscribe66 — Thu, 05 Jul 2012 03:24:34 +0000

@JamieThornton @John at MrSEC We are very proud to be in the Big 12!!!!!I I think we are at better fit there because of its more rural nature. WVU respects the SEC and the Mr. SEC organization and is grateful to Knoxville Newspaper Columnist John Adams for the nice column he wrote about us. Now, we love the Big 12 and they seem to be thrilled to have us. Big 12 correspondent Wendell Barnhouse gave us a nice welcome. Go luck to the SEC, I especially like the Vols, because East Tennessee is like a second home to me and will check in on them. Thanks Mr. SEC for all you do and again good luck from Mountaineer nation.

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 23:25:42 +0000

WV may stretch to pull some ratings in DC and Pitt, but none of those are in WV. When it comes to a network on cable, population, specifically tv/cable households is what matters. For each “native” subscription you get the $$$, regardless if they even watch. If they are out of state, just a mere % of those $$$. Just another reason WV was weighed and measured and found wanting. Lastly, congrats on your record and BCS bowls…bet both would have been seriously reduced had you played in a real conf!

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:57:21 +0000

@John at MrSEC @redscribe66 lol. I’ve never seen John say that WVU has an awful program. If I was a WVU fan, I would be proud of your 3 BCS bowl wins. THat got you into the Big12. You can look at the results and can easily make the argument that the Big 12 is the second best conference in college football. It got you out of a conference that means nothing in the landscape of things. So I would be happy if I was a WVU fan.

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:25:57 +0000

@Mosnowman @JamieThornton yes to both. Arkansas lost it’s coach after the LSU game and he wasn’t even around for the game. None of the big 3 even played in the 4th quarter. As far as recruiting, Arkansas has never been big in recruiting. I know you’re new to the sec, but you can ask John. He puts up the numbers. At best, Arkansas is average in big recruits. On top of that, the kid (DGB) is from Missouri. It’s not like he was from Arkansas and chose you over us. So yes, I’m still yawning. I was also yawning when two years before the cotton bowl, we destroyed you guys in the Indy bowl with Matt Jones. I don’t know anyone who claims Arkansas would win the national title. Does Arkansas have a chance at it? SUre. It’s still the same to me. SOrry. Missouri makes me yawn. You guys can’t even sell out a game for Oklahmoa? Missouri fans don’t even get excited about Missouri football? Yawn, yawn, and yawn. Most sec fans thought about missouri football? Yawn.

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 17:21:52 +0000

I was to both. Arkansas lost it’s coach that and he wasn’t even around for the game. None of the big 3 even played in the 4th quarter. As far as recruiting, Arkansas has never been big in recruiting. I know you’re new to the sec, but you can ask John. He puts up the numbers. At best, Arkansas is average in big recruits. On top of that, the kid is from Missouri. It’s not like he was from Arkansas and chose you over us. So yes, I’m still yawning. I was also yawning when two years before the cotton bowl, we destroyed you guys in the Indy bowl with Matt Jones. It’s still the same to me. SOrry. Missouri makes me yawn.

By: Mosnowman

Mosnowman — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:17:36 +0000

Sometimes the truth hurts….

I have found Mr SEC to be honest and fair even when I don’t like what he may be writing about my school..Mizzou….insecurity isn’t a good thing and it’s amazing how people get bent out of shape at a fair article.

By: Mosnowman

Mosnowman — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 16:13:21 +0000

@JamieThornton

Were you “yawning” when we played and defeated you and future NFL star McFadden in the Cotton Bowl a few short years ago? Were you “yawning” when DGB …Number 1 Recruit in the country chose Mizzou over Arkansas this year? We “yawn” when Arky fans claim the National Championship prior to the start of the season……

I’m thinking the start of a rivalry is in the infant stages but will begin to grow…and right soon……

By: John at MrSEC

John at MrSEC — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 15:25:40 +0000

@redscribe66

Again, we only stated facts. If Missouri is an AAU school and is ranked HERE, while WVU is not an AAU school and is ranked THERE, that’s not an insult or slight. That’s simply stating a fact that SEC presidents took into account.

Unfortunately, fans often want to find insults where none exist. If my SEC sources had told me they were looking for a school with blue in its color scheme and I wrote, “WVU will get in because they wear blue while Missouri wears black and gold,” I’d have been called anti-Missouri by Tiger fans. Somehow, that would have been taken as an insult.

No one here at MrSEC.com has anything against West Virginia, the school or the state. I did, however, grow tired of hearing from a fanbase that seems a little too quick to hit the “everybody hates us” switch.

Thanks for responding and good luck to the Mountaineers in the Big 12.

John

By: redscribe66

redscribe66 — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:51:27 +0000

@John at MrSEC
Nice response sir and maybe I came on a little strong. I earned a Journalism Degree from one of WVU’s branches. I am proud of how hard they work to run a $22 million a year athletic merchandising business with less than two million people in the state. It’s not easy to operate without the benefit of big cities. Some of the fans on this site were pretty hard on WVU back when they were trying to get in the SEC, especially on their academics. Really, their record is pretty impressive. The Big 12 ran an impressive list of their accomplishments on their website.. I am glad to hear you like WVU though,. The only person who spoke up for us was John Adams.Many WVU fans took it as Mr. SEC was against WVU’s SEC’s petition because it was a second-rate school. Many fans took it hard when they did not get in the SEC because of their huge fan base in the south. They would fill up LP stadium if Vandy did not sell one ticket. Well, again, it may have turned out for the best because on demographics it looks like WVU is a better fit for the Big 12 because it is so rural, well expect for Dallas. Thanks MR, SEC from a rabid WVU fan and alumni.

By: John at MrSEC

John at MrSEC — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 14:06:50 +0000

@redscribe66

My God. Where is the shot at WVU?

I’ve done radio in West Virginia many times and they keep having me back… because I’m hardly anti-WVU. I’ve stated on this site that WVU’s athletic program and fan passion would have fit well with the SEC. The only statement above regarding WVU doesn’t actually REGARD WVU at all. I simply stated a fact: Missouri got in over West Virginia mainly because it’s located in a bigger state.

Missouri provides more cable households and population than West Virginia. That is a fact. Look up the population of the states and get back to me.

Somehow, though, you took that as an “insult” to your widdle, wubby-dubby school. Well, I don’t give two hoots in Hell how many Rhodes Scholars WVU has. I didn’t mention the school’s academics or its athletics. I mentioned the state’s population.

You are clearly just looking for insults so that’s what you find.

I wish WVU well in the Big 12. But for fans like you who cry that someone’s insulted you when they haven’t and who then go on to run through their school’s resume when they don’t need to, well, just for you I’ll have a chuckle every time they take a kick to the teeth.

You tout WVU’s academics. Apparently they didn’t teach you how to read. And that’s an insult.

John

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 05:47:21 +0000

@House77 lol. It depends on what part of Arkansas you talk about. I think from Little Rock over to Memphis, most people think that’s part of the south. When you start talking the western part that borders Texas, OKlahoma and Southwest missouri, they feel midwest. It’s what it is. LSU and Texas A&M have always been big Arkansas rivals. THat’s the way it will stay.

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 05:30:15 +0000

that’s cool. all of us at the arkansas rivals board could still care less about Mizzou. We’re not even in the same division. Believe it or not, not everyone in Arkansas is a hillbilly. I’m not saying there isn’t a bunch. THat’s true. But all I do is yawn when it comes to Mizzou still. This points to my problem with having 14. You guys also border Tennessee and Kentucky. THere are 3 sec schools in those states. So the chances that you guys become bigger rivals with one of those schools, is much greater. Until 16 becomes a reality and we share a pod with LSU and TExas A&M(by the way, you can ask any Arkansas fan and they will tell you those two schools are the big rivals for arkansas) THat’s why Arkansas fans were going crazy with the talk that LSU Arkansas day after turkeyday game might be replace with A&M/LSU. As for Mike Anderson, that’s a larger motivation for Missouri fans. He was at Arkansas under Nolan for years. But best of luck in the sec east. Until things change and go to 16, we will play you like once every 7 years.

By: redscribe66

redscribe66 — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 05:09:29 +0000

Once again. Mr. SEC takes a shot at WVU. The national media has stated the Big 12 improved themselves vastly as they picked up three top 75 television markets (#24 Pittsburgh) (#9 Washington DC) and #64 Charleston Huntington. I fail to understand with the huge amounts of fans WVU has in the South (Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville and Florida) why Mr. SEC has so many issues with them. Three quick thoughts: 1. Did SEC fans check out the Orange Bowl score, 2. Did SEC fans know WVU has been to the final four twice and 3. Do SEC fans know WVU is full of Rhodes Scholars, Truman Scholars and garners millions in research each year. They know it in Dallas and we are proud to be in the Big 12 as we found a family. Please Mr, SEC wish WVU the best as we do your conference.

By: redscribe66

redscribe66 — Wed, 04 Jul 2012 04:45:31 +0000

Once again. Mr. SEC takes a shot a WVU. The national media has stated the Big 12 improved themselves vastly as they picked up three top 75 television markets (#24 Pittsburgh) (#9 Washington DC) and #64 Charleston Huntington. I fail to understand with the huge amounts of fans WVU has in the South (Charlotte, Atlanta, Nashville and Florida) why Mr. SEC has so many issues with them. Three quick thoughts: 1. Did SEC fans check out the Orange Bowl score, 2. Did SEC fans know WVU has been to the final four twice and 3. Do SEC fans know WVU is full of Rhodes Scholars, Truman Scholars and garners millions in research each year. They know it in Dallas and we are proud to be in the Big 12 as we found a family. Please Mr, SEC wish WVU the best as we do your conference.

By: House77

House77 — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:39:53 +0000

@Norton The Big 12 is still a dinosaur. You’re trying to bow to Notre Dame by allowing their Olympic sports in with the promise of getting a few games against their football team. Why? It’s the ONLY way you’ll be able to increase your TV contract in the future.

Bottom line, the interest in the Big 12 is waning. You brought in two programs that bring NOTHING to your media dollar potential. You simply added them so you could remain viable with 10 teams. In other words, the Big 12 is a damn joke. It’s just a matter of time before UT realizes how stupid they were with their Longhorn Network and they, along with OU, join the Pac 12.

By: House77

House77 — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:37:13 +0000

Lanny, Mizzou has been on of the top programs in the Big 12 the last six or so years. They’ve been in contention or won the North virtually every year in that time. So, that comment is completely off base.

And for someone who’s only lived in KC for a short time, you sure know a lot about St. Louis. Wait… You don’t. St. Louis is a HUGE Tigers town. MU events regularly are packed. In fact, outside of the Cardinals, I see more Mizzou gear than any of our other teams. Even many of my fellow St. Louisan friends who attended other state and private institutions ALL cheer for Mizzou. It’s most definitely St. Louis’ team, as well as the state’s.

Oh, and you don’t think this move is going to rain down money on the program AND the university? It absolutely will. TV sets will be glued to every Tiger game, as they often are now. It’s going to lead to some mega TV deals and revenue generated by the SEC Network, which will happen. This increased attention will lead to even more kids — from throughout the country — applying to get into Mizzou. Even more incoming frosh records will be broken. All in all, it’s a great time to be a Tiger.

And it’s always an awful time to be a Jayhawk.

By: House77

House77 — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 16:29:22 +0000

He’s not saying you’re midwestern. He’s saying that was the perception among many of the old SEC folks in the early 90′s. Chill out, hoss.

By: throwingoranges

throwingoranges — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:58:24 +0000

@JamieThornton I agree about moving to 4 pods of 4 teams each. It makes the most scheduling sense by far but it’s hard to imagine that happening right away.

Arkie and Missouri will develop a healthy rivalry. Mike Anderson? Ronnie Wingo? So many Petrino jokes? Plus Missourians have a natural distaste for every state they border, with the possible exception of Iowa, which we mostly just feel sorry for. For example, I firmly believe that everyone in Arkansas is an inbred hillbilly. It doesn’t matter that a big chunk of Missouri is filled with exactly the same people or that our hillbillies are better at cooking meth. I don’t have to think about that part so I don’t. See, I already don’t like Arkansas.

By: RyanMang

RyanMang — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 13:18:41 +0000

@GabeDeArmond Was it a smart move to make this video and release it? http://t.co/tCw9A05z

By: AllTideUp

AllTideUp — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 05:45:14 +0000

I agree with all the upsides put forth here and the good news is that even the bad after effects of expansion can be corrected with better scheduling. The higher-ups just have to make it happen.

By: JamieThornton

JamieThornton — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 04:00:24 +0000

I don’t think it’s a question of, “are they great fits” or “are they great schools”. THat’s an easy answer. The problem becomes making 14 work. Already schools in the west, only play some of the eastern schools every 3 to 4 years. It’s like we’re not even in the same conference. And 14 is a very odd number. I think the sec will have to go to 16 soon to make it work. To feel like a conference and go to 4 pods or divisions. That way they can rotate with two schools in the other pods and that will be the best thing for the sec imo. As an Arkansas fan, I’m glad to have our old rival in the Aggies. The weird thing is we’ve only played Mizzou a few times and it hardly felt like a rivalry. Even now, nobody in Arkansas feels that way. Mizzou is in the sec east and borders kentucky and tennessee. Another reason why the sec needs to get to 4 pods of 16 teams. It’s just going to be hard to work, imo.

By: Mosnowman

Mosnowman — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 03:20:32 +0000

Mizzou will be a great fit in the SEC! I have lived in Columbia for over 20 years and the Mizzou fans are great! I moved here from Kansas City and unlike the ignorant ku poster below writes…KC is definitely a Mizzou town! I lived on the kansas side and had a number of Mizzou fans there as well. The SEC fans have already seen pathetic jayhawk fans posing as Mizzou fans…which is just sad! Mizzou as moved on but a number of the Big whatever fans just can’t seem to let us go. Culturally, athletically, and academically Mizzou will be a great contributor and a great fit!

By: Onyx

Onyx — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:39:45 +0000

@deltaboy Except that’s not actually true. CBS is merely doing good negotiating, but the reality is Missouri brings in possible 4 million tv’s and A&M will bring more. With that, the SEC is coming into two new large markets and CBS will HAVE to increase the contract. If they don’t, ESPN will likely jump on creating an SEC network which would limit the amount of SEC games CBS will be able to show. The reality is, CBS will move on their stance and the SEC will make more money in the long run.

By: deltaboy

deltaboy — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 02:30:58 +0000

@Norton ”Law of diminishing returns” is exactly what is about to play out. I doubt all of these rosy predictions of increased revenue will overcome the stark reality of two more mouths to feed. Also, CBS is right on target with their analysis that this expansion has added almost nothing to the overall TV product. ”Eyeballs in Missouri” don’t mean much if they’re all trained on the Rams, Chiefs & Cardinals!

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:21:55 +0000

Cassel, pretty good shot but I’ll have to deduct for the improper capitalization, it is and always will be…kU, kState

By: buddha22

buddha22 — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:19:38 +0000

lamey, you ignorant jayhawk…It amazes me to what ends jayhawk fans inferiority complex continues to push you. The little bit of truth in your statements are heavily outweighed by the untruths…I won’t call them lies because you’ve been treated like a mushroom as a kU fan your whole life, in the dark and just regurgitating what you’ve been fed. What gives you away…many things, but suffice it to say that you are wrong on National Championships, too. Although I’d like to say more, MU has 2 as of now. What’s worse for you? Norm Stewart has one of them!

By: Arkansawyer

Arkansawyer — Tue, 03 Jul 2012 00:03:48 +0000

Wow, this writer is clueless. Arkansas is the Deep South. Montgomery, Alabama is further west than Detroit. According to you, they must be Midwestern. Arkansas is cotton country (often the #1 producing state in the SEC), and home of the Delta, the blues, soul food, and southern accents. Where was Bear Bryant from? That’s right Arkansas, he must have been a real yankee.

By: Dash1Bravo

Dash1Bravo — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 22:04:02 +0000

If the only guys in Missouri who care about Mizzou are its graduates, I’ll eat my Mazda. It’s the state’s flagship university, and that means just about every family in Missouri has a graduate in its lineage. That means every family in Missouri is a potential “gotcha” for TV on Saturday’s at some get together. And from what I have been reading about Missouri fans, they are passionate. I’m not going to be the one in the room trying to wrestle the remote to change the channel during game day. As for “middling,” you have a different definition of “middling” than I do. Mizzou is going to do well in the SEC. They have a very, very capable coaching staff, a very, very smart administration and a dedicated, smart and energetic fan base. Good grief, what a find for the SEC. Welcome aboard Mizzou!

By: White_Cassel

White_Cassel — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:55:12 +0000

Lanny, Kansas City is NOT a KU town, despite the pathetic billboards that KU put up. I will admit that Kansas City first of all is a Chiefs town, but last time I looked, the NFL and Universities don’t play at the same time.

As for popularity of football teams in Kansas City, I see it as:
1. The Chiefs
2. MIZZOU
3. K-State
4. Nebraska
5. Rockhurst (High School)
6. KU

I’m not joking about Rockhurst. KU only had 5,000 fans show up at Arrowhead last November when KU and MU played for the last time. Rockhurst draws more than 5K to their games.

By: mitchs3

mitchs3 — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:53:11 +0000

Wow. What an uninformed load of worthless blather. Mizzou has made great advances in its athletic budget, facilities and – most importantly – performance. Is the SEC a step up and a challenge? Absolutely, but MU is good athletic department and program that will do just fine in its new home.

If I read one more psycho post – kU and Arky posters, typically – that MU had never won a national title I’m going to scream. Are they perennial champions/contenders? Of course not, but they do have national titles in baseball and track. They also have a few seasons in football where they were ‘in the argument’ for those ‘mythical’ national championships (you know, the kind that inflate ‘Bama’s football and kU’s b-ball titles).

Finally, I live in Missouri, did NOT attend the University of Missouri (at least in Columbia), and I’m completely stoked about the move. So are the vast majority of people in the state – in STL, KC and outstate.

Thanks to those who’ve welcomed the two new guys. And kU trolls, please go elsewhere.

By: Toby

Toby — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:34:32 +0000

Lanny is high!

By: White_Cassel

White_Cassel — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 20:06:49 +0000

You think that Kansas city is a KU town first, K State second and MU third. That is one of the dumbest comments I’ve heard in a long time. Have you ever gone to the grocery store on a Saturday game day when MU is playing on the road? You can’t swing a dead cat without hitting someone with a MIZZOU shirt on loading up for the game. As for your comment about only MU alums watch MU sports, wrong again. Go up to Sidepockets in Lee’s Summit during a MU game. I’m sure there are some alums in there, but 90% of the people I’ve talked to are not MU grads.

I will admit that Kansas City does love their Chiefs though, but last time I looked, the NFL plays on Sunday and colleges play on Saturday.

As for the order of popularity in Kansas City for football, it goes 1. Chiefs 2. MIZZOU 3. K-State 4. Nebraska 5. KU. The reason why KU is 5th is because most of you KU basketball fans magically turn into Nebraska football fans in the fall. Can’t blame you though since KU is the worst football program at any BCS conference school. I know the BCS is history, but you get the point.

By: Onyx

Onyx — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:36:18 +0000

As someone who actually lives in Missouri you’re wrong. Gary Pinkel has rebuilt this program into a legitimate program who has competed for a Division and Conference championship in the past 6 years. If you truly understood the history of the program, you would also understand that Mizzou football was in such a bad place in 2001 when Pinkel took over, what he has done is short of a miracle. Seven straight bowl games, winning 48 games in 5 years, and being ranked #1 in the country in 2007 is nothing to scoff at (not to mention recruiting and signing the #1 player in the country in February…DGB!!). Also, Athletic Director Mike Alden has done everything to rebuild the program. Mizzou has a very big following in STL and KC. For example the Kansas City Sports Trust just donated 30 million dollars to Mizzou athletics. Also, there is a waiting list for season tickets and there has been one for months now. Not to mention the coaches forums in Stl abd KC have had crazy crowds at them. Basically, merely everything you stated in your comment above is false and smells of KU/beaker hate.

By: Onyx

Onyx — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:21:31 +0000

Lanny is obviously a butt-hurt big 12 and/or beaker fan. Your analysis below is absolutely incorrect and you’re just a hater.

By: lanny

lanny — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 19:02:07 +0000

I lived in Missouri for a period of time and here is what both sides of this equation don’t understand. St. Louis is on the far eastern edge of the state and Kansas City is on the far western edge of the state. Both over 100 miles from Columbia. Kansas City is a University of Kansas town first, a K-State town second, and a Mizzou town third. St. Louis is a Cardinal town first, sort of a Rams town, and then a Blues town. Pro town through and through. Driving The group of people in St. Louis that truly live and die with Mizzou athletics is strictly alums. The program sucking for 20 years lost an entire generation of would be fans. Florida and Georgia are the only states in the league with significant professional competition and those two can overcome up either through huge population or the pro sports haven’t been around long enough to take root.

There simply is no comparison to what the flagship university means to Missouri residents and what LSU or Alabama or Auburn or any other SEC school mean to those states. The passion disparity is so wide that I don’t think either side could understand. If you didn’t go to Mizzou, you don’t care about Mizzou. That’s the quiet difference. There certainly will be some curiosity in Missouri when they join the league but if Mizzou is a middling team in the SEC like they were in the Big XII, CBS & ESPN won’t net one additional TV set than they were already getting. Alabama will storm the AD office demanding the coach’s head on a platter if they underperform. At Mizzou? Fans just quit showing up. A real SEC football program would never put up with Gary Pinkel’s B-/C+ program. Could Nick Saban win national championships at Mizzou? Sure he could. But Mizzou doesn’t care enough to ask him if he would.

Mizzou is not going to get their head handed to them like some think. They will be a middling program there like they were in the Big XII. It is still a stupid, rearranging of the furniture move that may yield more money but may not. They won’t develop new rivals becasue they are not good enough in anything to demand anyone’s passion. The SEC took them in to even out the scheduling and exploit their AAU status for their own ends. An athletic program is as successful as the fan base demands it to be and you will quickly see why the University of Missouri has NEVER won a national championship in any sport. EVER. The SEC will be just fine with them and the Big XII will be just fine without them. The only loser in this equation is the Mizzou fan who still actually thinks he showed the Big XII a thing or two by leaving.

By: Norton

Norton — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:57:37 +0000

The expansion decision will ultimately be a textbook example of the economic law of diminishing returns. Ironically the biggest winner of SEC expansion will be the Big 12 for realizing this.

By: KEGreene1

KEGreene1 — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 18:17:32 +0000

I have seen many posts on this site and others with regards to “Project X”. I know it seems like a no-brainer for us SEC crazy people. The powers that be in the Northeast who keep force feeding New York Yankees, Boston Red Sox and other Northeast products down our throats might not understand that we would all call our cable/sat provider and demand the channel (and more importantly pay up to $5 a month for it). Talk about yearly programing, you could have a weekly Tailgate Cooking Show and I would bet it would be highly rated. That said, I still haven’t seen anything with regards to a timeline on getting it done or how long the “look-in” period will be with CBS/ESPN. With regards to a 9 game schedule, doesn’t it make sense (and cents) to use it as a chip with these talks as well as wait to go to 9 game schedule when you see the new playoff criteria? Sorry for all the questions, but this site and your opinion seems to be the best out there to find the answers!

By: Guest

Guest — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 17:46:15 +0000

Quick note – The CBS negotiations aren’t hard ball but rather a pragmatic stance by CBS that understands their product hasn’t changed. Those broadcasts were already national, the volume of games they’re showing hasn’t changed, and arguably the inclusion of TAMU or Mizzou in any CBS broadcasts simply means trading out brands of comparable status like TN or Ark. So understanably CBS has little reason to increase their payouts for football, while the hoops side is small enough to be considered negligible in this context.

Also, unless the SEC increases the # of conference football games each team plays then the inventory available to ESPN hasn’t increased in the same fashion as the PAC, ACC and Big XII. Yes, there is an additional SEC conference game each weekend to showcase and weigh for priority telecasts, but for now neither of the new brands carries the weight of a Bama, LSU or Florida, so that combined with the thinning out of cross-divisional match-ups means the TV deals might not be expanded geometrically.

The SEC will easily be perched atop the media revenues mountain when all is said and done, especially WHEN an SEC network is realized and per-subscriber rates are brought into play, and this is easily a great move for the conference. But for the reasons above the deals could be muted compared to what some are expecting.

By: BCarr

BCarr — Mon, 02 Jul 2012 16:41:31 +0000

I am pleased that you happened to mention the fact that in 1992 few, if any “observers” thought that adding SC and ARK were going to be a good fit. The situation in 2012 mirrors that as well. I live in Ala. and am a Mizzou J-school grad. I understand that Ala. fans, in particular, could care less about any of the other 13 schools and am realistic to know that the first two years will be tough for the “other” Tigers. But, as you have repeatedly noted, expanded facilities at both schools, increased ticket sales, adding two Top 40 Nielsen markets, will all bring Greenbacks to Mike Slive’s table. And that’s a good thing. Let’s stop all of this talk about “the fit” and let’s strap up and play some ball. Mizzou just might surprise some people. And no, they won’t win the Eastern Division or beat Alabama. You gotta start somewhere…