Comments on: Fans Waiting For Puffs Of Smoke In Auburn, Knoxville As Fates Of Chizik, Dooley Stir Rumors

By: sojourner

sojourner — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:15:59 +0000

@mikec1000000 @sojourner
you’re missing my point. i don’t deny that competence and integrity can inhabit the same person (pat summitt for example), but some people have made a fetish out of integrity to the point that it is supposed to excuse the most obvious ineptness. that has been the fall back position whenever somebody pointed out that dooley had zip for qualifications other than his last name. “oh, but he’s doing it the RIGHT WAY”. truth is, he was doing squat, regardless of how many merit badges he had in his closet. the undeniable truth is that when it comes to things like attendance, t.v. ratings, general respect, and championships, a rogue like saban or petrino beats the likes of ‘dudley do-right’ dooley every time.

By: mikec1000000

mikec1000000 — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:38:36 +0000

@sojourner I believe integrity and competence can be found in the same person. We lowered our standards of integrity with the Kiffin/Orgeron experiment and look what that produced? NCAA investigations and a cloud over the program that most kids and coaches would avoid. Hamilton hired who he could at the 11th hour (which was not a smart move by him, could have been his only recourse given the situation). Regardless, here we are, three years later, with a mediocre team, a diminished national standing, yet we still have some talented young men. The right leadership can do better than what we have seen lately and we dont have to compromise an ethical idea to get the right person.

By: sojourner

sojourner — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:17:36 +0000

@mikec1000000
in case you haven’t noticed, we’re reaping the benefits of prizing the staple of integrity over competence. does anybody in knoxville feel cleaner?

By: KevinMcCallister

KevinMcCallister — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 19:08:10 +0000

@John at MrSEC @KevinMcCallister

Can you not read or is English just your second language? I intended the “as usual” to apply to media reports in general, not your site in particular. As far as I’m aware, you don’t “write” that many stories on Chizik’s contract so the “as usual” really wouldn’t apply to you individually. That is why I took the time to post a follow up in an attempt to clarify that I wasn’t attacking you or your site but was simply pointing out the falsity of the reposted information in your article.I understand that you don’t have the time to “to make sure what’s been widely reported is in fact true” before you repost other media outlets’ reports. That’s fine. But if you are too short on time to ensure the credibility of information that you report then you certainly should not spend any of your time writing sarcastic posts in response to a post that was simply pointing out an error in one of your repostings that I thought you were asserting to be your own.

By: mikec1000000

mikec1000000 — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:06:40 +0000

As a UT fan, I hate to see a good man like Dooley lose his job, but his time has come in Knoxville. The idea that Petrino would be a good replacement sickens me. The man may win football games, but he has no moral center. His record speaks for itself. Flying from Louisville to Auburn while in mid-season, leaving a sticky note as a good-bye present to the Falcons, and then the affair ridden, con job in Arkansas all add up to someone I would not trust recruiting my son to play ball. If ethics mean nothing, I would prefer Jim Tressel and that is laughable considering the show cause issues. The fact is, integrity has to be a staple of the job at UT considering the circus over the past few years. Petrino is definitely not the man. Gruden is a fantasy for some, but doubtful. Realistic targets would be Charlie Strong or Kirby Smart. Defensive issues plague the Vols and it will take a defensive mind to right that ship.

By: SevierVol

SevierVol — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 18:04:38 +0000

UT may not be able to afford to fire Dooley without putting itself in a financial bind but, they certainly can’t afford to keep him.. $5-million is a lot of money to pay out but it pales in comparison to the amount lost by donor apathy and 25,000 empty seats per game. Not to mention the fall in clothing and memorabilia sales. Sure Dooley was dealt a bad hand but the program has not improved under him – especially from a won-lost standpoint. A new coach, especially if it is a big name coach, would excite the fan base but that coach too must show some gradual improvement. I know Petrino can coach and he will produce a winner wherever he ends up. But I can’t help but believe that as many UT fans would be upset at his hiring as those who would be happy. I think the “Campus Castle” may be stormed if Dooley is not fired and I think it may also be stormed if they make another knee-jerk hire and don’t hire a proven commodity. The torches are probably being lit as we speak, just in case.

By: sojourner

sojourner — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:48:19 +0000

fact is dooley had no business being hired in the first place. for three years those of us who didn’t deny that fact were bombarded with, ‘you’re a hater, look at the mess he inherited, nobody else wanted the job’, yada, yada, yada. the biggest excuse for keeping him was, ‘the disaster of having three coaches in four years’. oh, the horror! well, here we are, three years in and dooley has lived down to his resume. i’m still waiting for someone to explain why it would have been so disastrous to have canned him after last year’s kentucky fiasco than keeping him for another damaging year. all that keeping an unqualified coach does is put a program further down in the dumps. the mess dooley is going to leave is a helluva lot worse than what he was handed.

By: John at MrSEC

John at MrSEC — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 17:40:13 +0000

@KevinMcCallister

Now why would I take the statement: “As usual, the information above is incorrect” as an attack?

I hardly think this site is “trying to sensationalize” anything. I haven’t read Chizik’s contract. Unlike Kevin Scarbinsky, I don’t write one story per day… I write dozens in at attempt to keep you abreast of everything big that’s happening in the SEC.

I know simply that since he signed his deal it’s been reported that the buyout for Chizik was scheduled to be $10 million on December 1, 2011 and $7.5 million on December 1, 2012. That’s factually accurate. But bully for AD Jay Jacobs if he worked it with a month-by-month drop. Smart move.

Now, if you’d like to attempt to cover 14 football teams, 14 basketball teams, and — possibly — four football coaching searches as we do here everyday (for free) AND still have time to read every coach’s contract to make sure what’s been widely reported is in fact true, I welcome you to give it a shot. And then you’ll get to enjoy comments like “As usual, the information above is incorrect.”

John

By: KevinMcCallister

KevinMcCallister — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:39:33 +0000

Just to clarify — that wasn’t intended to be attacking. Just pointing out that it has been widely reported wrong without most entities taking the time to do the public records request and read the actual contract.

By: KevinMcCallister

KevinMcCallister — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:36:05 +0000

As usual, the information above is incorrect. He is not owed $10 if booted before Dec.1 and $7.5 million after. His buyout is prorated, and paid monthly, starting with the month he is terminated. Therefore, his buyout on Nov. 1, 2012 was about $7,702,702.60 and on Dec. 1, 2012 would be $7.5 million. The point is that waiting a month or doing it now is not some “doomsday” scenario as most people in the media keep trying to sensationalize it as being. He’s likely already been paid this month’s salary so that’s a sunk cost anyways.

http://www.al.com/auburnfootball/index.ssf/2012/10/gene_chiziks_auburn_buyout_not.html

By: John at MrSEC

John at MrSEC — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 16:26:07 +0000

@Clarence

Thanks for the kind words, but I probably phrased that whole bit poorly. I do internet, radio, TV and have done print as well… so whenever I say “the media does X,” I’m including myself in that… good or bad. As a whole, we’re in a bad state as everyone just races to be the first guy to write something on Twitter. Chicken or the egg, of course, as that’s what fans all run to… TWITTER!

But at this site, we need to either a) get multiple, PROVEN sources to confirm something or b) we need to hear word from someone involved in the story before we’ll run with something.

We might not always be first, but we’d rather try and be correct than first.

At any rate, all of us in the media need to do a better job of racing to find the story… rather than racing to tweet.

Many thanks for reading the site,
John

By: Clarence

Clarence — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 15:33:49 +0000

I applaud you for not publishing rumor as fact as so many on the online world. It appears to be inevitable on both counts, but not worth hyping as fact to generate hits.

Just don’t go spreading Kliff Kingsbury rumors.

Go Johnny Football.

By: John Pennington Article on Dooley and Chizik - VolNation

John Pennington Article on Dooley and Chizik - VolNation — Mon, 12 Nov 2012 14:56:56 +0000

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