Comments on: Reputation Is Everything For The SEC… In Football And In Basketball

By: KyleMorse1

KyleMorse1 — Wed, 05 Jun 2013 15:15:58 +0000

Of course when something goes down point to football blah blah blah. Face it you all did what you do in football, scheludle powder puff non confrence games well guess what that does not work in basketball it might in football but not bball. You need to scheludle tough games or you are going to be like this, when Kentucky is bad it is florda or bust for its confrence you all are lucky ole miss won the tournament or you might have two members. Face it Acc was better then you the big Least was the big 12 was better not to mention the big 10. Hey you all got more members then the MWC oh wait….

By: Paris10

Paris10 — Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:42:47 +0000

As far as football. Again, UK is a tag along in the SEC.
Its only been 35 years since they won more SEC games in a season than they have loss.
Suprisingly, they aren’t every SEC schools ‘homecoming’ game.
But as long as you all want to keep paying us to be a ‘sure win’. we’ll take it!

By: Paris10

Paris10 — Mon, 25 Mar 2013 13:38:03 +0000

Since Kentucky made a deal with the devil and hired Calipari, shouldn’t we expect to see the so called ‘flag bearer’ of SEC Basketball be taken with some scorn?
I’m a Kentucky fan and think he is a cancer on college basketball. This one and done stuff, recently admitted to be his actually doing as a path to success, isn’t what college sports should be about.
Let him run an AAU Super Program instead of turning the UK program in to NBA-U.

By: bartonro

bartonro — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:09:32 +0000

@UtahReb @prerich45 One the SEC was terrible this year. But championships do not make the conference good. It makes the team that won it good. So those 7 straight football championships were awesome.. for the schools that won those. What makes the SEC good in football is the depth of the conference, not the championships. When the 10th place team could probably beat the 3-4th place teams in other conferences, that’s special. In basketball, the depth was not here. Sure Florida could compete against anybody in the nation, but who else in the SEC would after that? Was CUSA the best conference when Memphis won it all? How about the Pac 10 when USC won it all in football?

By: bartonro

bartonro — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:02:39 +0000

@UtahReb @prerich45 Once again, championships should not determine the strength of the conference. Depth should. Conferences should have a head to head matchup. Do you really think the SEC would win more than 3 games if matched up head to head against the Big East or Big Ten? When Memphis won it all, I never heard anyone saying CUSA is the best conference in the nation. In football when USC won it all, the Pac 10 was down. One school does not make a conference. So while historically Kentucky is great, and to a degree Florida, the rest of the conference sucks. It’s not hard for one school to be good, but for the majority of the conference it is. That’s what makes the SEC in football special, not the run of championships. The depth is here for football, not here for basketball.

By: bartonro

bartonro — Fri, 22 Mar 2013 18:45:26 +0000

@ice2cold This point is moot. What makes the SEC good in football is not the seven straight championships. Rather it is the depth that makes the SEC good. Teams 3-9 are better than any other conference. The conference should not be judged by the best team, but by depth. This year, the SEC is terrible in depth. This is why the SEC is not good this year, regardless of even if Florida makes a deep run. Was Memphis in the best conference when they won it all a few years ago?

By: UtahReb

UtahReb — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 22:50:30 +0000

@prerich45
Here is a breakdown of teams by conference who have won the NCAA championship in the past 20 years:
SEC (3 teams, 6 titles) – UK (3), UF (2) and Ark.
ACC (3 teams, 6 titles) – UNC (3), Duke (2) and Maryland.
Big East (2 teams, 4 titles) – UConn (3) and Syracuse.
PAC 12 (2 teams, 2 titles) – UCLA, Arizona
Big 12 (1 title) – KU
Big 10 (1 title) – Mich. State

As you can see, your championships/team argument holds little water. The SEC is at the top when it comes to spreading the championship titles.

I only go back 20 years because I believe it is more relevant, but just to let you know, the SEC is about on par with other conferences in regards to the number of teams who have NCAA tournament championships dating back to 1939. These include numbers on membership at the time a championship was won) Big East ( 3 – UConn, Syracuse and Georgetown), ACC (4 – UNC, Duke, Maryland and NC State), Big 12 ((Big 8) 2 – KU and *OSU), and Pac 12 (5 – UCLA, *Stanford, Arizona, *Oregon and *Cal) and Big 10 ( 5 – IU, Mich. Mich. State, *Ohio St. and *Wisconsin.) * Denotes only championship(s) won before 1960. Prior 1960 or so, the NCAA tournament was irrelevant as compared to the big fish at the time, the NIT. In other words, who gives a flip about what happened before 1960 because most of us were not alive and it was a far different game.The numbers for the Pac 12 and Big 10 lower by about half, which puts them there with the SEC.

Here is some more data that supports the fact that the SEC deserves respect as a basketball conference:

Total NCAA Championships by conference: 1. Pac 12 (15) 2. ACC (12). 3 SEC (11) 4. Big 10 (10) 5. Big East (6)

Championships by current conference membership: 1. Pac 12 (16) 2. ACC (12). 3 SEC (11) 3. Big East (11) 4. Big 10 (10)

The bottom line is simple: Historically, the SEC is no slouch when it comes to basketball when compared to the other BCS conferences and is not getting its due when it comes to respect as a basketball conference.

As for this year, no one has yet to justify why the MWC received more bids than the SEC.

By: JRsec

JRsec — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 20:01:00 +0000

@ice2cold The bias extends to the bracketing as well. We seldom have a #1 seed regardless of the track record of the team. We routinely have our best teams start no higher than a 2nd or 3rd seed. This too can limit bracket penetration which is what the income is based upon.

By: JRsec

JRsec — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 19:58:48 +0000

@ice2cold Nailed it! Our basketball programs are historically discounted in the basketball press circles which are predominantly Northeastern and Midwestern. The NCAA has allowed the bias to help ease some of the disparity in earnings that the SEC runs away with in football. The NCAA basketball tournament is the instrument they use to make up for that disparity. Hence the SEC teams are discounted in entry numbers thereby limiting their penetration in the tournament and decreasing their revenue. In my household we call the NCAA basketball tournament Yankee welfare!

By: TheN8tureBoy

TheN8tureBoy — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:27:43 +0000

@prerich45 We have a series with the Big East.

By: Speedy98

Speedy98 — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 17:03:17 +0000

Maybe the Men’s Basketball coaches should just go see what the SEC Women’s Basketball coaches are doing. 7 SEC women’s basketball teams got into the NCAA tournement.

By: ice2cold

ice2cold — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 15:49:44 +0000

How can you compare this to football? Last time I checked there wasn’t a basketball league that has ran off a string of national championships. I’m almost willing to put the SEC’s basketball resume over the last decade in the NCAA tournament versus in other conference in America. I think they are taking a hit for their football success and its becoming a backlash in basketball. Everytime people spit out numbers they do it to curve their argument. They never mention the second most teams in the ncaa as far as top 100 RPI. As a matter of fact when is the last time the Big 10 won a championship? But they are supposed to be the best conference!! Please!!!!

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By: prerich45

prerich45 — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:43:03 +0000

I just did a little history search on SEC basketball….only three different schools have held the title …Kentucky, Florida, and Arkansas – that’s it. There have been 5 different B1G teams that have held the title and they have a bigger history of going to the Final 4. Kentucky and Florida are SEC basketball (Coach Donavan is a Legend in my book – HOF no doubt). The rest of the SEC programs need to steal a page from their playbooks. There’s a reason why they are the cream of the SEC (basically Florida is the Cream of the SEC – Kentucky is very different with the one and done thing going on).

By: prerich45

prerich45 — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:30:46 +0000

The SEC also can’t lose to “cupcakes” in the non-conference and expect anyone to appreciate their conference battles. Do a team series like the ACC does with the Big 10, I’m sure both of those conferences will be willing to do this with the SEC.

By: JRsec

JRsec — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:29:28 +0000

This is really nothing new. The SEC always gets fewer teams in than other major conferences in spite of our record in the tournament. There is an anti SEC bias within the basketball community largely due to our success on the football field. It’s almost as if the NCAA tournament is a way of leveling income disparity between the SEC’s football revenue and the that distributed by the tournament. Part of the problem for our conference is the bottom of the conference in hoops is too broad. Instead of have 3 seller dwellers we manage sometimes to have as many as 5 or 6. That along with too many December patsies brings down our RPI. If we are going to play small schools we should open the November – December schedule with in state tournaments including all the schools to energize fan participation and then we need to beef up the rest of the early schedule a bit.

But one solid point in our defense is that we do play an extremely physical brand of basketball. Sometimes it is too physical. Most officiating crews are not used to the level of physicality the SEC teams play with. So when we play out of conference with non-SEC officials calls do not always go our way and we frequently get into four trouble. Maybe we need to bring in other conferences officials for some of the preseason games to get familiar with how some of those out of conference games are going to be called. Our physicality also is leading to some extra injuries late in the season.

By: prerich45

prerich45 — Wed, 20 Mar 2013 03:28:08 +0000

Kentucky’s loss today gives your article validity….Bravo Zulu!!!!

By: UtahReb

UtahReb — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:35:57 +0000

NCAA basketball championships by conference over the past 10 years: SEC – 3, ACC – 3, Big East – 3 and Big 12 – 1.

The past 20 years: ACC -6, SEC – 6, Big East – 4, PAC 12 - 2, Big 12 -1 and Big 10 -1.

History says that the SEC deserves a reputation of being a top basketball conference, especially compared to the mighty Big-12 and Big 10.

As for this year, any one who takes a close look at the MWC OOC victories over quality opponents (and trust me, you will have to look hard) will find that five bids are unjustified. Basically all they did was beat up on each other. With the exception of possibly New Mexico, all those teams will be gone by the end of the second round.

Mr. SEC, I enjoy your site and I agree the vast majority of you posts, but the SEC deserved at least one more bid.

By: sec_fan

sec_fan — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:28:25 +0000

Vanderbilt and Kentucky had huge turnover, Tennessee had injuries. They all made runs near the end, so it is a temporary down. Being number 8 RPI did not help anyone though.

By: SEC fan

SEC fan — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:24:22 +0000

Tennessee 3-5 vs top 50 RPi teams and SOS 58. (Yes they lost to UGa twice) but guess you not only have to schedule strong but win more than you lose for it to matter.

By: MoKelly1

MoKelly1 — Tue, 19 Mar 2013 19:09:34 +0000

Or, perhaps easier, buy it via Conference expansion.